{"thread":{"id":"47969","subject":"Contributor Summit planning","startedAt":"2018-03-03T10:30:16Z","lastAt":"2018-03-05T22:21:55Z","messageCount":10,"participants":["Jeff King","Derrick Stolee","Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","Brandon Williams","Lars Schneider","Jonathan Nieder"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"340890","messageId":"20180303103010.GA21068@sigill.intra.peff.net","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2018-03-03T10:30:10Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-03T10:30:16Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"The Git Merge Contributor Summit is scheduled for this coming Wednesday,\nMarch 7th, in Barcelona.\n\nIf you're not registered, there are still one or two slots left for\nlast-minute attendees. Please email me if you're interested.\n\nAs in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\nexpected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\nalso welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\npick whichever ones people are interested in.\n\nFeel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\nany proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\nnon-attendees is welcome here.\n\nThe rest of this email is all logistics for attendees, so if you're not\ncoming, you can stop reading. :)\n\nThere should be breakfast available in the contributor summit room\nstarting at 9am, so plan to get there around then, mingle and eat, and\nthen we'll start in earnest at 10am.\n\nRegistration is at the main Git Merge event space (Convent dels Àngels\nat MACBA), and then our contributor summit space is across the street.\nSo go to the main registration first, and then signs and clueful staff\nshould be able to point you to the contributor summit room.\n\nWe have the space until 5pm, so we'll go until then or until we run out\nof stuff to say, whichever comes first. Lunch will be served in the\nroom, and we'll probably take a few informal breaks during the day.\n\nAfter we finish for the day, there are a few other events. Bitbucket is\nhosting drinks and discussion from 5:30-7:30pm, open to all Git Merge\nattendees (not just contributor summit people). Details and RSVP at:\n\n https://www.bevylabs.com/events/details/bevy-beers-with-bitbucket-presents-beers-with-bitbucket#/\n\nMicrosoft is sponsoring a dinner that evening at 8pm for just\ncontributor summit attendees. Details will be provided at the summit.\n\nI look forward to seeing everybody there!\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"340891","messageId":"20180303103957.GA24498@sigill.intra.peff.net","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103010.GA21068@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2018-03-03T10:39:57Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-03T10:40:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote:\n\n> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\n> expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\n> also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\n> pick whichever ones people are interested in.\n> \n> Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n> any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n> non-attendees is welcome here.\n\nI'll plan to offer two topics:\n\n - a round-up of the current state and past year's activities of Git as\n a member project of Software Freedom Conservancy\n\n - some updates on the state of the git-scm.com since my report last\n year\n\nAs with last year, I'll try to send a written report to the list for\nthose who aren't at the summit in person.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"341021","messageId":"0eadcee9-1247-0439-c2c3-8ff73df17239@gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103957.GA24498@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Derrick Stolee","fromEmail":"stolee@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T14:29:59Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T14:30:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"stolee@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/570044?v=4"},"body":"On 3/3/2018 5:39 AM, Jeff King wrote:\n> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote:\n>\n>> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\n>> expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\n>> also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\n>> pick whichever ones people are interested in.\n>>\n>> Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n>> any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n>> non-attendees is welcome here.\n> I'll plan to offer two topics:\n>\n> - a round-up of the current state and past year's activities of Git as\n> a member project of Software Freedom Conservancy\n>\n> - some updates on the state of the git-scm.com since my report last\n> year\n>\n> As with last year, I'll try to send a written report to the list for\n> those who aren't at the summit in person.\n>\n> -Peff\n\nThanks for putting this together, Peff.\n\nI'll be ready to talk about the serialized commit graph [1], generation \nnumbers, and other commit-walk optimizations.\n\nThanks,\n-Stolee\n\n[1] \nhttps://public-inbox.org/git/1519698787-190494-1-git-send-email-dstolee@microsoft.com/T/#u\n"},{"id":"341022","messageId":"87a7vmoaky.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103010.GA21068@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T14:34:21Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T14:34:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Sat, Mar 03 2018, Jeff King jotted:\n\n> Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n> any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n> non-attendees is welcome here.\n\n1)\n\nLast year we discussed the general topic of performance. That's of\ncourse very general, and can touch multiple unrelated areas of git\n(worktree 'status' performance, all things protocol, storing big\nobjects, graph traversal, etc.).\n\nNo doubt others will propose other topics we'd want to carve out into\ntheir own discussions (e.g. I'm expecting the v2 protocol to be one such\ntopic), but it'll be nice to have something that brings everyone\nup-to-date on what the status is for purposes of coordination &\ncollaboration.\n\n2)\n\nI doubt many are interested in these as topics during the contributor\nsummit (but will propose them on the board if others care), but I have a\ncouple of things that touch quite a lot of things that I'm going to get\naround to working on (or have in some WIP state):\n\n - PCRE-ification & PCRE convert:\n\n a) Use the interface recently added to PCRE to use it also for basic &\n extended POSIX regexps. This speeds things up a lot\n\n b) See if we can use PCRE (or at least extended regexp) consistently in\n the rest of git via single interface. Relevant code:\n\n git grep '\\b(regcomp|regexec)\\b' -- '*.[ch]'\n\n c) Maybe if we like a) && b) enough for performance reasons we'd be\n happy to make PCRE a hard dependency, and would then ship with a\n compat/pcre2 (~80k lines) instead of the current ancient (and hard\n to update) compat/regex/* (~10k lines).\n\n - Adding the ability to optionally read a .gitconfig shipped with the\n repo, see\n https://public-inbox.org/git/87zi6eakkt.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com/\n"},{"id":"341028","messageId":"20180305170127.GA72475@google.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103957.GA24498@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Brandon Williams","fromEmail":"bmwill@google.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T17:01:27Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T17:01:36Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bwilliams.eng@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 03/03, Jeff King wrote:\n> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote:\n> \n> > As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\n> > expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\n> > also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\n> > pick whichever ones people are interested in.\n> > \n> > Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n> > any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n> > non-attendees is welcome here.\n> \n> I'll plan to offer two topics:\n> \n> - a round-up of the current state and past year's activities of Git as\n> a member project of Software Freedom Conservancy\n> \n> - some updates on the state of the git-scm.com since my report last\n> year\n> \n> As with last year, I'll try to send a written report to the list for\n> those who aren't at the summit in person.\n\nThanks for kicking things off!\n\nSince I've been working on protocol stuff I'd like to spend a bit of\ntime discussing protocol v2 :)\n\n-- \nBrandon Williams\n"},{"id":"341044","messageId":"CD80986F-E79B-4588-AB0F-AD5C6385836D@gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103957.GA24498@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Lars Schneider","fromEmail":"larsxschneider@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T18:29:43Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T18:29:51Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"larsxschneider@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/477434?v=4"},"body":"\n> On 03 Mar 2018, at 11:39, Jeff King wrote:\n> \n> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote:\n> \n>> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\n>> expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\n>> also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\n>> pick whichever ones people are interested in.\n>> \n>> Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n>> any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n>> non-attendees is welcome here.\n> \n> I'll plan to offer two topics:\n> \n> - a round-up of the current state and past year's activities of Git as\n> a member project of Software Freedom Conservancy\n> \n> - some updates on the state of the git-scm.com since my report last\n> year\n> \n> As with last year, I'll try to send a written report to the list for\n> those who aren't at the summit in person.\n\nThanks for starting this. I would like to propose the following topics:\n\n- hooks: Discuss a proposal for multiple local Git hooks of the same type.\n\n- error reporting: Git is distributed and therefore lots of errors are only\n reported locally. That makes it hard for administrators in larger \n companies to see trouble. Would it make sense to add a config option that \n would push recent errors along with \"git push\" to the server?\n\n- fuzzing: Would it make sense to register Git to Google's OSS fuzzing\n program https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz ?\n\n\n- Lars\n"},{"id":"341050","messageId":"20180305185329.GE28067@aiede.svl.corp.google.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"CD80986F-E79B-4588-AB0F-AD5C6385836D@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Jonathan Nieder","fromEmail":"jrnieder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T18:53:29Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T18:53:36Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jrnieder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/281595?v=4"},"body":"Lars Schneider wrote:\n\n> Thanks for starting this. I would like to propose the following topics:\n\nCool! Do you mind starting threads for these so people who aren't there\ncan provide input into the discussion, too? In other words, I'm\nimagining\n\n 1. Thread starts on mailing list\n\n 2. Contributor summit: in-person presentation, discussion, etc lead to\n people having better ideas\n\n 3. On-list thread goes really well as a result of aforementioned\n in-person discussion\n\nQuick feedback:\n\n> - hooks: Discuss a proposal for multiple local Git hooks of the same type.\n\nI'd be happy to weigh in on a mailing list thread about this. It's\nalso related to\nhttps://public-inbox.org/git/20171002234517.GV19555@aiede.mtv.corp.google.com/\nwhich is an interest of mine.\n\n> - error reporting: Git is distributed and therefore lots of errors are only\n> reported locally. That makes it hard for administrators in larger\n> companies to see trouble. Would it make sense to add a config option that\n> would push recent errors along with \"git push\" to the server?\n\nI'm interested in instrumentation but worried about the privacy\nramifications of this particular proposal. I'd be happy to see some\nbuilt-in instrumentation hooks (or even a standard instrumentation\napproach, if the mailing list comes up with a good one that respects\nprivacy).\n\n> - fuzzing: Would it make sense to register Git to Google's OSS fuzzing\n> program https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz ?\n\nOf course!\n\nAlongside the obvious security benefit, there is money available to\nsupport someone working on this:\nhttps://opensource.googleblog.com/2017/05/oss-fuzz-five-months-later-and.html\nhttps://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/patch-rewards/ clarifies that\nthe reward goes to the contributor, so you don't even necessarily have\nto share your reward with the Git project. ;-)\n\nThanks,\nJonathan\n"},{"id":"341072","messageId":"877eqqnq22.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"CD80986F-E79B-4588-AB0F-AD5C6385836D@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T21:57:41Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T21:57:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Mon, Mar 05 2018, Lars Schneider jotted:\n\n>> On 03 Mar 2018, at 11:39, Jeff King wrote:\n>>\n>> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote:\n>>\n>>> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are\n>>> expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are\n>>> also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and\n>>> pick whichever ones people are interested in.\n>>>\n>>> Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss\n>>> any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from\n>>> non-attendees is welcome here.\n>>\n>> I'll plan to offer two topics:\n>>\n>> - a round-up of the current state and past year's activities of Git as\n>> a member project of Software Freedom Conservancy\n>>\n>> - some updates on the state of the git-scm.com since my report last\n>> year\n>>\n>> As with last year, I'll try to send a written report to the list for\n>> those who aren't at the summit in person.\n>\n> Thanks for starting this. I would like to propose the following topics:\n>\n> - hooks: Discuss a proposal for multiple local Git hooks of the same type.\n\nI'm assuming you mean having stuff like pre-receive.d/* in addition to\npre-receive:\n\nI had a WIP series for this that I didn't end up pursuing after getting\ndiscouraged at:\nhttps://public-inbox.org/git/CACBZZX6j6q2DUN_Z-Pnent1u714dVNPFBrL_PiEQyLmCzLUVxg@mail.gmail.com/\n\nThere's various bolt-on solutions that do this for subsets of the hooks,\ne.g. GitLab now has this at\nhttps://docs.gitlab.com/ee/administration/custom_hooks.html and this\nstand-alone solution:\nhttps://gist.github.com/carlos-jenkins/89da9dcf9e0d528ac978311938aade43\n\nI still think this would be great to have, but Junio's objection being:\n\n> Junio: And I have to say that a sequential execution that always\n> Junio: short-circuits at the first failure is below that threshold.\n> Junio:\n> Junio: One reason I care about allowing the users to specify \"do not\n> Junio: shortcut\" is that I anticipate that people would want to have a\n> Junio: logging of the result at the end of the chain.\n\nGot me discouraged, it would have made the implementation a bit more\ncomplex, and I found other solutions to the problem I was trying to\nsolve.\n\nNow we use Gitlab's implementation of this which has the semantics I\nproposed at the time, and you just put log hooks at the beginning, but\nof course that's server-side only. Having this be generally usable in\ngit would be great.\n"},{"id":"341074","messageId":"87606anpbb.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180305185329.GE28067@aiede.svl.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: Contributor Summit planning","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T22:13:44Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T22:13:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Mon, Mar 05 2018, Jonathan Nieder jotted:\n\n> Lars Schneider wrote:\n>> - error reporting: Git is distributed and therefore lots of errors are only\n>> reported locally. That makes it hard for administrators in larger\n>> companies to see trouble. Would it make sense to add a config option that\n>> would push recent errors along with \"git push\" to the server?\n>\n> I'm interested in instrumentation but worried about the privacy\n> ramifications of this particular proposal. I'd be happy to see some\n> built-in instrumentation hooks (or even a standard instrumentation\n> approach, if the mailing list comes up with a good one that respects\n> privacy).\n\nI have this use-case as well, and figured a good approach would be:q\n\n 1. Add corresponding config variables for GIT_TRACE_* so you could\n config them in /etc/gitconfig (or elsewhere). Similar to\n e.g. user.name & GIT_AUTHOR_NAME\n\n 2. Add some new trace like e.g. GIT_TRACE_COMMANDS, make it take a\n format string in GIT_TRACE_COMMANDS_FORMAT (or usually via\n config). Thus setting GIT_TRACE_COMMANDS to a file would e.g. spew\n your current repo path, subcommand, or even the absolute command\n line to the file.\n\n 3. Have some cronjob or other monitoring thingy pick up the file &\n submit to central logging.\n\nOf course you could overdo the format specifiers in #2 and e.g. send the\nfull commands along, but it seems to me that it would be sufficient for\nprivacy concerns to document that caveat with some examples.\n\nAfter all, for this use-case we're talking about us somehow guarding\nagainst a sysadmin who can just install a /etc/profile.d/git_wrapper\nanyway that'll log everything you do with git, or even provide a custom\ngit binary, so it's always going to be left to their best judgement.\n"},{"id":"341076","messageId":"874llunoxv.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com","threadId":"47969","inReplyTo":"20180303103010.GA21068@sigill.intra.peff.net","subject":"Ad-hoc pre contributor summit dinner & drinks on the 6th","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2018-03-05T22:21:48Z","receivedAt":"2018-03-05T22:21:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Sat, Mar 03 2018, Jeff King jotted:\n\n> The rest of this email is all logistics for attendees, so if you're not\n> coming, you can stop reading. :)\n\nI'll be arriving in BCN around 17:00 tomorrow. If someone wants to grab\npre-dinner beer or dinner, preferably in the Eixample district (just\nacross the street from the conference venue) before or at Spanish dinner\ntime (around 21-22) add me on WhatsApp @ +31 611 763 987.\n\nIf there's more than one person interested I'll create a WhatsApp group\nfor it so we can keep adding people. Or reply here if you prefer E-Mail,\nbut I'm thinking subscribers to the ML who aren't there tomorrow will\nthank us...\n"}]}