{"thread":{"id":"4655","subject":"[RFC] GIT user survey","startedAt":"2006-06-24T16:18:25Z","lastAt":"2006-07-06T05:09:38Z","messageCount":17,"participants":["Paolo Ciarrocchi","Randal L. Schwartz","Petr Baudis","Linus Torvalds","Adrien Beau","Matthias Kestenholz","Martin Langhoff","Junio C Hamano","Sam Ravnborg","Jakub Narebski","Pavel Roskin"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"22455","messageId":"4d8e3fd30606240918m6b452314m6514b5e5fc86f147@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Paolo Ciarrocchi","fromEmail":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T16:18:25Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T16:18:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hi all,\nI was wondering whether it could be a good idea to have a kind of \"GIT\nusers survey\" when google pointed my eyes to this page:\nhttp://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2006-April/007513.html\n\nSo I modified the content of the survey and published a DRAF here:\nhttp://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n\nHere is the content of the proposed survey:\n\nAbout you\n\n 1. What country are you in?\n 2. What is your preferred language?\n 3. What's your gender?\n\nGetting started with GIT\n\n 1. How did you hear about GIT?\n 2. Did you find GIT easy to learn?\n 3. What helped you most in learning to use it?\n\nHow you use GIT\n\n 1. Do you use GIT for work, unpaid projects, or both?\n 2. How do you obtain GIT? Source tarball, binary package, or\n pull the main repository?\n 3. What platforms (hardware, OS, version) do you use GIT on?\n 4. How many people do you collaborate with using GIT?\n 5. How big are the repositories that you work on? (e.g. how many\n files, how much disk space)\n 6. How many different projects do you manage using GIT?\n 7. Which extensions/plugins do you use?\n\nWhat you think of GIT\n\n 1. Overall, how happy are you with GIT?\n 2. How does GIT compare to other SCM tools you have used?\n 3. What do you like about using GIT?\n 4. What would you most like to see improved about GIT?\n (features, bugs, plugins, documentation, ...)\n 5. If you want to see GIT more widely used, what do you\n think we could do to make this happen?\n\nDocumentation\n\n 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n 2. Do you find GIT's online help useful?\n 3. What is your favourite user documentation for any software\n projects or products you have used?\n\nGetting help, staying in touch\n\n 1. Have you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n * If yes, did you get these problems resolved quickly and to\n your liking?\n 2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list?\n * If yes, do you find it useful, and traffic levels OK?\n 3. Do you use the IRC channel (#git on irc.freenode.net)?\n * If no, did you know that all of the core developers use\n IRC, and that there's almost 24-hour help available?\n\nOpen forum\n\n 1. What other comments or suggestions do you have that are not\n covered by the questions above?\n\n\nWhat do people living in this ML think about this suvery?\nDo you have any suggestion?\nDo you think it worth the effort?\n\nThanks in advace.\n\nRegards,\n\n-- \nPaolo\nhttp://paolociarrocchi.googlepages.com\nhttp://picasaweb.google.com/paolo.ciarrocchi\n"},{"id":"22457","messageId":"86ac82bi1u.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606240918m6b452314m6514b5e5fc86f147@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Randal L. Schwartz","fromEmail":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T17:05:33Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T17:05:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/dc528d210743ff0333e6213f9ee7b33b23f1b7bc1f3c5a8c2d819074ecd7ab19?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n\nPaolo> 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n\nThere's a git wiki??\n\n-- \nRandal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095\n \nPerl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.\nSee PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!\n"},{"id":"22458","messageId":"4d8e3fd30606241008w6cf9e6c0hf230ff1091194a7c@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"86ac82bi1u.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Paolo Ciarrocchi","fromEmail":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T17:08:58Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T17:08:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 24 Jun 2006 10:05:33 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n> >>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n>\n> Paolo> 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n>\n> There's a git wiki??\n\nYup.\nhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/FrontPage\n\nCiao,\n\n-- \nPaolo\nhttp://paolociarrocchi.googlepages.com\nhttp://picasaweb.google.com/paolo.ciarrocchi\n"},{"id":"22474","messageId":"863bduba81.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606241008w6cf9e6c0hf230ff1091194a7c@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Randal L. Schwartz","fromEmail":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T19:54:38Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T19:54:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/dc528d210743ff0333e6213f9ee7b33b23f1b7bc1f3c5a8c2d819074ecd7ab19?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n\nPaolo> On 24 Jun 2006 10:05:33 -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n>> >>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n>> \nPaolo> 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n>> \n>> There's a git wiki??\n\nPaolo> Yup.\nPaolo> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/FrontPage\n\nI think my point is that I read this list regularly, but\nI had no idea there was a wiki. Where is it being promoted?\nSurely not on git(1). Was it announced here? How often?\n\n-- \nRandal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095\n \nPerl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.\nSee PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!\n"},{"id":"22475","messageId":"20060624200401.GV21864@pasky.or.cz","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"863bduba81.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2006-06-24T20:04:02Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T20:04:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"Dear diary, on Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 09:54:38PM CEST, I got a letter\nwhere \"Randal L. Schwartz\" said that...\n> I think my point is that I read this list regularly, but\n> I had no idea there was a wiki. Where is it being promoted?\n> Surely not on git(1). Was it announced here? How often?\n\nIt was announced in\n\n\t15227 F May 03 Petr Baudis ( 1.1K) [ANNOUNCE] Git wiki\n\nspawning a 61-mails thread. ;-)\n\nIt is also linked from the homepage, although not as prominently as it\nshould be; it grew nicely over the time so it probably deserves a more\nvisible link now. I will add it on the front page.\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nStuff: http://pasky.or.cz/\nA person is just about as big as the things that make them angry.\n"},{"id":"22479","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0606241344450.6483@g5.osdl.org","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"20060624200401.GV21864@pasky.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Linus Torvalds","fromEmail":"torvalds@osdl.org","sentAt":"2006-06-24T20:52:04Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T20:52:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"torvalds@linux-foundation.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1024025?v=4"},"body":"\n\nOn Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Petr Baudis wrote:\n> \n> It is also linked from the homepage, although not as prominently as it\n> should be; it grew nicely over the time so it probably deserves a more\n> visible link now. I will add it on the front page.\n\nPasky, the homepage seems a bit pointless. Each individual page is so \nsmall that splitting it up into six different pages is just \ncounter-productive.\n\nI'd almost suggest making it _one_ page, perhaps with some shortcuts \nwithin it (ie a \"http://git.or.cz/index.html#tools\" shortcut within the \npage instead of having a separate \"http://git.or.cz/tools.html\" page)\n\nHmm?\n\nIn contrast, the wiki frontpage actually works pretty well - it's got more \nof that kind of \"multiple sub-headers all on the same page\" kind of \nlayout, with just extra _details_ behind the links.\n\nI don't know about everybody else, but I get irritated at webpages that \nforce me to just switch to another page to get any information. It's like \nhow some web journalists split up a story over 20 pages, and each page is \njust a few paragraphs and some graphic (and the commercials, of course).\n\nI'd much rather _scroll_ a bit, or use ^F to _search_, than have to click \nthrough links.\n\n\t\t\tLinus\n"},{"id":"22481","messageId":"94fc236b0606241455m22c4d285led04846a915267a2@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606240918m6b452314m6514b5e5fc86f147@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Adrien Beau","fromEmail":"adrienbeau@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T21:55:28Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T21:55:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"adrienbeau@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 6/24/06, Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote:\n>\n> I was wondering whether it could be a good idea to have a kind of \"GIT\n> users survey\" when google pointed my eyes to this page:\n> http://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2006-April/007513.html\n>\n> So I modified the content of the survey and published a DRAF here:\n> http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n>\n> (...)\n>\n> What do people living in this ML think about this suvery?\n> Do you have any suggestion?\n> Do you think it worth the effort?\n\nThe results of the Mercurial survey have been posted there:\nhttp://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey\n\nAn interesting read.\n"},{"id":"22483","messageId":"20060624220904.GW21864@pasky.or.cz","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0606241344450.6483@g5.osdl.org","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2006-06-24T22:09:04Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T22:09:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"Dear diary, on Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 10:52:04PM CEST, I got a letter\nwhere Linus Torvalds said that...\n> Pasky, the homepage seems a bit pointless. Each individual page is so \n> small that splitting it up into six different pages is just \n> counter-productive.\n\nWow, finally some more feedback on the homepage!\n\n> I'd almost suggest making it _one_ page, perhaps with some shortcuts \n> within it (ie a \"http://git.or.cz/index.html#tools\" shortcut within the \n> page instead of having a separate \"http://git.or.cz/tools.html\" page)\n\nGood point. When designing the multi-page layout I expected much more\nstuff to end up on the homepage but it sort of didn't happen and now the\nWiki seems to work pretty well, so I have folded it all back to a single\npage. I ain't no webdesign-ka but it could've turned out worse; as\nusual, I'm taking patches.\n\nThe menubar should be now actually useful for quick navigation between\nvarious Git-related resources (going to Git's gitweb using this path\nshould be much faster than over kernel.org, especially when gitweb.cgi\nhas its bad days over there).\n\n> I don't know about everybody else, but I get irritated at webpages that \n> force me to just switch to another page to get any information. It's like \n> how some web journalists split up a story over 20 pages, and each page is \n> just a few paragraphs and some graphic (and the commercials, of course).\n\nWe could put up some commercials as well and use them for funding pizza\ndistributed in a round-robin fashion between the developers.\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nStuff: http://pasky.or.cz/\nA person is just about as big as the things that make them angry.\n"},{"id":"22484","messageId":"20060624221523.GA4335@spinlock.ch","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"94fc236b0606241455m22c4d285led04846a915267a2@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Matthias Kestenholz","fromEmail":"lists@spinlock.ch","sentAt":"2006-06-24T22:15:23Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T22:15:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"lists@spinlock.ch","avatar":null},"body":"* Adrien Beau (adrienbeau@gmail.com) wrote:\n> \n> The results of the Mercurial survey have been posted there:\n> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey\n> \n> An interesting read.\n\nI find the answers to the question, what people most like to see\nimproved interesting: The improvement which got mentioned most often\nwas \"merge across rename\", something which git does already.\n\nIt seems, that partial checkouts and truncated history are the\nonly things left to implement for git from this list.\n\nI am looking forward to a git user survey!\n\n\tMatthias\n"},{"id":"22486","messageId":"46a038f90606241642q1467d577q329412f4ad09da34@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606240918m6b452314m6514b5e5fc86f147@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-24T23:42:00Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-24T23:42:00Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Paolo,\n\nI've seen in the irc logs that you were wondering whether we could a\nweb-based survey tool. Perhaps I can setup Moodle with an\neasy-to-fillout survey. Interested?\n\n\nmartin\n"},{"id":"22539","messageId":"4d8e3fd30606250347o47c4b200t6feb0406bfa535fa@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"46a038f90606241642q1467d577q329412f4ad09da34@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Paolo Ciarrocchi","fromEmail":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-25T10:47:50Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-25T10:47:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 6/25/06, Martin Langhoff wrote:\n> Paolo,\n>\n> I've seen in the irc logs that you were wondering whether we could a\n> web-based survey tool. Perhaps I can setup Moodle with an\n> easy-to-fillout survey. Interested?\n\nYes, that would be really fantastic!!\n\nHere is the latest version of the survey, including the comments I\nreceived so far:\n\nAbout you\n\n 1. What country are you in?\n 2. What is your preferred language?\n 3. What's your gender?\n\nGetting started with GIT\n\n 1. How did you hear about GIT?\n 2. Did you find GIT easy to learn?\n 3. What helped you most in learning to use it?\n\nHow you use GIT\n\n 1. Do you use GIT for work, unpaid projects, or both?\n 2. How do you obtain GIT? Source tarball, binary package, or\n pull the main repository?\n 3. What platforms (hardware, OS, version) do you use GIT on?\n 4. How many people do you collaborate with using GIT?\n 5. How big are the repositories that you work on? (e.g. how many\n files, how much disk space)\n 6. How many different projects do you manage using GIT?\n 7. Which porcelains do you use?\n\nWhat you think of GIT\n\n 1. Overall, how happy are you with GIT?\n 2. How does GIT compare to other SCM tools you have used?\n 3. What do you like about using GIT?\n 4. What would you most like to see improved about GIT?\n (features, bugs, plugins, documentation, ...)\n 5. If you want to see GIT more widely used, what do you\n think we could do to make this happen?\n\nDocumentation\n\n 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n 2. Do you find GIT's online help useful?\n 3. What is your favourite user documentation for any software\n projects or products you have used?\n 4. What could be improved on the GIT homepage?\n\nGetting help, staying in touch\n\n 1. Have you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n * If yes, did you get these problems resolved quickly and to\n your liking?\n 2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list?\n * If yes, do you find it useful, and traffic levels OK?\n 3. Do you use the IRC channel (#git on irc.freenode.net)?\n * If no, did you know that all of the core developers use\n IRC, and that there's almost 24-hour help available?\n\nOpen forum\n\n 1. What other comments or suggestions do you have that are not\n covered by the questions above?\n\n\nCiao,\n\n-- \nPaolo\nhttp://paolociarrocchi.googlepages.com\nhttp://picasaweb.google.com/paolo.ciarrocchi\n"},{"id":"22544","messageId":"7vfyhtv6iw.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606250347o47c4b200t6feb0406bfa535fa@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"junkio@cox.net","sentAt":"2006-06-25T11:06:31Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-25T11:06:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"\"Paolo Ciarrocchi\" writes:\n\n> About you\n>\n> 1. What country are you in?\n> 2. What is your preferred language?\n> 3. What's your gender?\n\nDemography is interesting and quite relevant to understand the\nbias in the answers to the rest of the questions, although I do\nnot see much point about #3. Question #2 is relevant in i18n,\nof course.\n\nI would also ask if the respondent has her own patch in the\ngit.git repository. If most of them are git developers, the\nanswer to the question \"was git easy to learn\" becomes\nsuspicious, for example.\n\n> Getting started with GIT\n>\n> 1. How did you hear about GIT?\n> 2. Did you find GIT easy to learn?\n> 3. What helped you most in learning to use it?\n\nAlso \"When did you start using git?\" -- old timers who learned\ngit when it was still young and small would have had an easier\ntime to learn it.\n\n> How you use GIT\n>\n> 1. Do you use GIT for work, unpaid projects, or both?\n> 2. How do you obtain GIT? Source tarball, binary package, or\n> pull the main repository?\n> 3. What platforms (hardware, OS, version) do you use GIT on?\n> 4. How many people do you collaborate with using GIT?\n> 5. How big are the repositories that you work on? (e.g. how many\n> files, how much disk space)\n> 6. How many different projects do you manage using GIT?\n> 7. Which porcelains do you use?\n\nAfter seeing the Mercurial survey result, I think question #3\nshould be stated a bit more concretely. The results having\nmixture of i386 and Linux are not very interesting. I would\nalso add \"how deep the history\" to #5.\n\n> Getting help, staying in touch\n>\n> 1. Have you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n> * If yes, did you get these problems resolved quickly and to\n> your liking?\n> 2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list?\n> * If yes, do you find it useful, and traffic levels OK?\n> 3. Do you use the IRC channel (#git on irc.freenode.net)?\n> * If no, did you know that all of the core developers use\n> IRC, and that there's almost 24-hour help available?\n\nAbout #3, I do not see some people I consider \"core\" often on\nthe IRC. Maybe \"most of the core\".\n"},{"id":"22560","messageId":"4d8e3fd30606250704vf0e77dx9c3a029807e3dccd@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"7vfyhtv6iw.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Paolo Ciarrocchi","fromEmail":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-25T14:04:45Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-25T14:04:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 6/25/06, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> \"Paolo Ciarrocchi\" writes:\n>\n> > About you\n> >\n> > 1. What country are you in?\n> > 2. What is your preferred language?\n> > 3. What's your gender?\n>\n> Demography is interesting and quite relevant to understand the\n> bias in the answers to the rest of the questions, although I do\n> not see much point about #3. Question #2 is relevant in i18n,\n> of course.\n\nYeah, removed item #3.\n\n> I would also ask if the respondent has her own patch in the\n> git.git repository. If most of them are git developers, the\n> answer to the question \"was git easy to learn\" becomes\n> suspicious, for example.\n\nOK.\n\n> > Getting started with GIT\n> >\n> > 1. How did you hear about GIT?\n> > 2. Did you find GIT easy to learn?\n> > 3. What helped you most in learning to use it?\n>\n> Also \"When did you start using git?\" -- old timers who learned\n> git when it was still young and small would have had an easier\n> time to learn it.\n\nOK.\n\n> > How you use GIT\n> >\n> > 1. Do you use GIT for work, unpaid projects, or both?\n> > 2. How do you obtain GIT? Source tarball, binary package, or\n> > pull the main repository?\n> > 3. What platforms (hardware, OS, version) do you use GIT on?\n> > 4. How many people do you collaborate with using GIT?\n> > 5. How big are the repositories that you work on? (e.g. how many\n> > files, how much disk space)\n> > 6. How many different projects do you manage using GIT?\n> > 7. Which porcelains do you use?\n>\n> After seeing the Mercurial survey result, I think question #3\n> should be stated a bit more concretely. The results having\n> mixture of i386 and Linux are not very interesting. I would\n> also add \"how deep the history\" to #5.\n\nOK\n\n> > Getting help, staying in touch\n> >\n> > 1. Have you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n> > * If yes, did you get these problems resolved quickly and to\n> > your liking?\n> > 2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list?\n> > * If yes, do you find it useful, and traffic levels OK?\n> > 3. Do you use the IRC channel (#git on irc.freenode.net)?\n> > * If no, did you know that all of the core developers use\n> > IRC, and that there's almost 24-hour help available?\n>\n> About #3, I do not see some people I consider \"core\" often on\n> the IRC. Maybe \"most of the core\".\n\nI think I can remove that part of the sentece, Pasky already had the\nsame comment when I was discussing the sruvey on #GIT. My mistake.\n\nNew version attached.\n\nAbout you\n\n 1. What country are you in?\n 2. What is your preferred language?\n\nGetting started with GIT\n\n 1. How did you hear about GIT?\n 2. Did you find GIT easy to learn?\n 3. What helped you most in learning to use it?\n 4. When did you start using git?\n\nHow you use GIT\n\n 1. Do you use GIT for work, unpaid projects, or both?\n 2. How do you obtain GIT? Source tarball, binary package, or\n pull the main repository?\n 3. What hardware platforms do you use GIT on?\n 4. What OS (please include the version) do you use GIT on?\n 5. How many people do you collaborate with using GIT?\n 6. How big are the repositories that you work on? (e.g. how many\n files, how much disk space, how deep is the histoty)\n 7. How many different projects do you manage using GIT?\n 8. Which porcellains do you use?\n 9. Is the git.git repository including codes produced by you?\n\nWhat you think of GIT\n\n 1. Overall, how happy are you with GIT?\n 2. How does GIT compare to other SCM tools you have used?\n 3. What do you like about using GIT?\n 4. What would you most like to see improved about GIT?\n (features, bugs, plugins, documentation, ...)\n 5. If you want to see GIT more widely used, what do you\n think we could do to make this happen?\n\nDocumentation\n\n 1. Do you use the GIT wiki? If yes, do you find it useful?\n 2. Do you find GIT's online help useful?\n 3. What is your favourite user documentation for any software\n projects or products you have used?\n 4. What could be improved on the GIT homepage?\n\nGetting help, staying in touch\n\n 1. Have you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n * If yes, did you get these problems resolved quickly and to\n your liking?\n 2. Do you subscribe to the mailing list?\n * If yes, do you find it useful, and traffic levels OK?\n 3. Do you use the IRC channel (#git on irc.freenode.net)?\n\n\nOpen forum\n\n 1. What other comments or suggestions do you have that are not\n covered by the questions above?\n\n\n-- \nPaolo\nhttp://paolociarrocchi.googlepages.com\nhttp://picasaweb.google.com/paolo.ciarrocchi\n"},{"id":"22572","messageId":"20060625162014.GA9362@mars.ravnborg.org","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606250347o47c4b200t6feb0406bfa535fa@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Sam Ravnborg","fromEmail":"sam@ravnborg.org","sentAt":"2006-06-25T16:20:14Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-25T16:20:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sam@ravnborg.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/168a912606ed0742d840bb365e3cc21db390c36531a58341dc7a069cc1f15f62?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Hi\n> 2. What is your preferred language?\nYou need to rephase this so it tell for what purpose.\n\n\tSam\n"},{"id":"22784","messageId":"e807o0$p98$1@sea.gmane.org","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"20060624221523.GA4335@spinlock.ch","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-29T09:49:58Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-29T09:49:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Matthias Kestenholz wrote:\n> Adrien Beau (adrienbeau@gmail.com) wrote:\n>> \n>> The results of the Mercurial survey have been posted there:\n>> http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey\n>> \n>> An interesting read.\n> \n> I find the answers to the question, what people most like to see\n> improved interesting: The improvement which got mentioned most often\n> was \"merge across rename\", something which git does already.\n> \n> It seems, that partial checkouts and truncated history are the\n> only things left to implement for git from this list.\n\nI think that at least some of the infrastructure for partial checkouts\nis in place due to preliminary work for subproject (gitlink or bind)\nsupport in git: git-read-tree and git-write-tree --prefix=/\noption suppport. But I might be mistaken.\n\nTruncating history \"by hand\" is possible even now, using graft file.\nThere is recurring talk about \"shallow clones\", lately about \"lazy clones\".\nThere were mentioned here also split-history idea and sparse clone idea. \n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nWarsaw, Poland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"23229","messageId":"e8e1ea$s5c$1@sea.gmane.org","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30606240918m6b452314m6514b5e5fc86f147@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-07-04T15:28:11Z","receivedAt":"2006-07-04T15:28:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote:\n\n> I was wondering whether it could be a good idea to have a kind of \"GIT\n> users survey\" when google pointed my eyes to this page:\n> http://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2006-April/007513.html\n> \n> So I modified the content of the survey and published a DRAFT here:\n> http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n\nCould you please add the final version (and of course results) on\nGit Wiki (http://git.or.cz/gitwiki), like original one is on Mercurial\nwiki: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey ?\n\nThanks in advance\n\nP.S. I wonder why my Mozilla 1.7.12 sees GITSurvey as binary/octet-stream\ninstead of text/plain file...\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nWarsaw, Poland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"23301","messageId":"1152162578.10415.59.camel@dv","threadId":"4655","inReplyTo":"e8e1ea$s5c$1@sea.gmane.org","subject":"Re: [RFC] GIT user survey","fromName":"Pavel Roskin","fromEmail":"proski@gnu.org","sentAt":"2006-07-06T05:09:38Z","receivedAt":"2006-07-06T05:09:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"proski@gnu.org","avatar":null},"body":"On Tue, 2006-07-04 at 17:28 +0200, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> Paolo Ciarrocchi wrote:\n> \n> > I was wondering whether it could be a good idea to have a kind of \"GIT\n> > users survey\" when google pointed my eyes to this page:\n> > http://www.selenic.com/pipermail/mercurial/2006-April/007513.html\n> > \n> > So I modified the content of the survey and published a DRAFT here:\n> > http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n> \n> Could you please add the final version (and of course results) on\n> Git Wiki (http://git.or.cz/gitwiki), like original one is on Mercurial\n> wiki: http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/UserSurvey ?\n> \n> Thanks in advance\n> \n> P.S. I wonder why my Mozilla 1.7.12 sees GITSurvey as binary/octet-stream\n> instead of text/plain file...\n\nIt's not a Mozilla thing. It's a server configuration.\n\n$ wget http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n--00:52:45-- http://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/GITSurvey\n => `GITSurvey'\nResolving paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com... 64.233.179.93,\n64.233.179.91\nConnecting to paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com|64.233.179.93|:80...\nconnected.\nHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK\nLength: 2,078 (2.0K) [application/octet-stream]\n\n\nRegarding the questions (sorry, I could have missed comments of others):\n\n What is your preferred language?\n\nPreferred to type or preferred to speak? There answer is not always the\nsame, at least for me.\n\n How did you hear about GIT?\n\nWith my own ears. \"How did you learn about GIT\" would be better because\nmany respondents probably _read_ about GIT first.\n\ns/histoty/history\ns/porcellains/porcelains/\n\nWhat is the \"history depth\"? How do I measure it?\n\n Which porcelains do you use?\n\nWhich child did you abuse today? Let's avoid loaded questions. Some\npeople are just fine with bare git.\n\nHave you tried to get GIT help from other people?\n\n Better: Have you asked other people to help you with GIT? \n\n-- \nRegards,\nPavel Roskin\n"}]}