{"thread":{"id":"46485","subject":"Contact with Latinamerica","startedAt":"2017-07-30T14:07:22Z","lastAt":"2017-08-06T17:54:11Z","messageCount":7,"participants":["Christopher Díaz","Philip Oakley","Andrew Ardill"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"325276","messageId":"1501423608.3232.30.camel@gmail.com","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Christopher Díaz","fromEmail":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","sentAt":"2017-07-30T14:06:48Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-30T14:07:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/14809105?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nMy name is Christopher Díaz Riveros, I'm a software development student\nin Lima, Peru. For some time now I have been supporting my Linux\ncommunity, Gentoo Linux, and I have discovered a wide world of\npossibilities in open source.\n\nI tell you this because it has been so much benefit in my training as a\na developer that I am determined to start a new community in my country\nto be able to make technology-related career students find an open\nsource community in which they can learn to work and get the same\npositive effect that I have had on mine. I have already been talking to\nsome teachers, I am about to begin my final year of studies in the\ninstitute, and they agree to start the community with students of the\ninstitution.\n\nAs one of the main problems when getting involved with a community here\nis the barrier of english language, and few are able to have fluent\nconversations in that language, as it is a bit intimidating for most to\napproach an open source community. My community hopes to get in touch\nwith different open source projects throughout the world and seeks to\nbe a midpoint to interact with young developers and communities.\n\nHaving said all this I have only to offer to your community, the\navailability of our community (we still do not have a definite name)\nand see if anyone is interested in supporting this group of developers\nhere and with a bit of luck be able to turn it into a movement of all\nLatin America.\n\nThanks and any kind of feedback is welcome :)\nChristopher Diaz Riveros\n"},{"id":"325282","messageId":"6EF3784A5C1F420699D881AF642F28CD@PhilipOakley","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"1501423608.3232.30.camel@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Philip Oakley","fromEmail":"philipoakley@iee.org","sentAt":"2017-07-30T18:01:38Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-30T18:01:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"philipoakley@iee.email","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/914343?v=4"},"body":"From: \"Christopher Díaz\" \n>\n> My name is Christopher Díaz Riveros, I'm a software development student\n> in Lima, Peru. For some time now I have been supporting my Linux\n> community, Gentoo Linux, and I have discovered a wide world of\n> possibilities in open source.\n>\n> I tell you this because it has been so much benefit in my training as a\n> a developer that I am determined to start a new community in my country\n> to be able to make technology-related career students find an open\n> source community in which they can learn to work and get the same\n> positive effect that I have had on mine. I have already been talking to\n> some teachers, I am about to begin my final year of studies in the\n> institute, and they agree to start the community with students of the\n> institution.\n>\n> As one of the main problems when getting involved with a community here\n> is the barrier of english language, and few are able to have fluent\n> conversations in that language, as it is a bit intimidating for most to\n> approach an open source community. My community hopes to get in touch\n> with different open source projects throughout the world and seeks to\n> be a midpoint to interact with young developers and communities.\n>\n> Having said all this I have only to offer to your community, the\n> availability of our community (we still do not have a definite name)\n> and see if anyone is interested in supporting this group of developers\n> here and with a bit of luck be able to turn it into a movement of all\n> Latin America.\n>\n> Thanks and any kind of feedback is welcome :)\n> Christopher Diaz Riveros\n\nI can see two simple steps toward your goal that may help.\n\nThe first is to ensure that the open source tools do have localisation \n(l10n) of their command line messages, for which I'm sure Git's l10n team \nwould be happy to have your communities support. - \nhttps://github.com/git-l10n and \nhttps://public-inbox.org/git/CANYiYbEJ3Gw=JvbhLBeFWBD7xLXxd=_fFdH3UX76H97ZU_3zKA@mail.gmail.com/#r\n\nThe other idea is to consider how Git's version message, or something \nsimilar, should report the users current i18n settings, and any links to the \nright (e.g. local) support groups. At present, I don't see any obvious \ncommand to help users (and those on the help forums and lists) know what \ni18n nationality / language names to use for discussions. Sometimes it is \nworth ensuring these baby steps are in place.\n\n--\nPhilip\n\n\n"},{"id":"325287","messageId":"CAH5451kzm-gh-7MRYie8nt17+yZdFLgzyPF3ZAwmL74SrR0XvA@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"6EF3784A5C1F420699D881AF642F28CD@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Andrew Ardill","fromEmail":"andrew.ardill@gmail.com","sentAt":"2017-07-31T00:00:48Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-31T00:01:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"andrew.ardill@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/da14cb7c091dd44dc6c63a4d3361b149acaf25226dc78eb4131a17b93d9b0993?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 31 July 2017 at 04:01, Philip Oakley wrote:\n> From: \"Christopher Díaz\" \n>\n>> As one of the main problems when getting involved with a community here\n>> is the barrier of english language, and few are able to have fluent\n>> conversations in that language, as it is a bit intimidating for most to\n>> approach an open source community. My community hopes to get in touch\n>> with different open source projects throughout the world and seeks to\n>> be a midpoint to interact with young developers and communities.\n>>\n>\n> I can see two simple steps toward your goal that may help.\n>\n\nAnother idea, and I don't think anyone has done this yet, would be to\nlocalise news posts coming out of projects.\n\nFor git, one option would be to localise 'Git Rev News' [0].\n\nChristian Couder (cc'd) organised the last few editions, and might\nhave an idea about how it could be localised if that was something\nyour community wanted to support.\nRegards,\n\nAndrew Ardill\n\n[0] https://git.github.io/rev_news/\n"},{"id":"325288","messageId":"1501460182.3232.54.camel@gmail.com","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"CAH5451kzm-gh-7MRYie8nt17+yZdFLgzyPF3ZAwmL74SrR0XvA@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Christopher Díaz","fromEmail":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","sentAt":"2017-07-31T00:16:22Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-31T00:16:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/14809105?v=4"},"body":"> \n> \n> Another idea, and I don't think anyone has done this yet, would be to\n> localise news posts coming out of projects.\n> \n\nThat's awesome Andrew, thanks a lot for the idea, it could be very good\nto have such a media where all the news about projects could be easily\nfound! Indeed that's something we could help with since it would be\nmuch easier for us to invite people when we have all that information\nto show.\n\nThanks again all of you,\nChristopher Díaz Riveros\n"},{"id":"325295","messageId":"BEDE2127EE5B47F1A739DF583B7DBDE9@PhilipOakley","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"1501438901.3232.46.camel@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Philip Oakley","fromEmail":"philipoakley@iee.org","sentAt":"2017-07-31T11:28:45Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-31T11:29:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"philipoakley@iee.email","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/914343?v=4"},"body":"From: \"Christopher Díaz\" \n\nHi Christopher,\nI've included the Git list to keep the discussion open to all the community. \n(we usually use reply all)\n\n> El dom, 30-07-2017 a las 19:01 +0100, Philip Oakley escribió:\n>\n> Hi Philip,\n>\n> Thank you very much for such a fast reply.\n>\n>\n>> I can see two simple steps toward your goal that may help.\n>>\n>> The first is to ensure that the open source tools do have\n>> localisation\n>> (l10n) of their command line messages, for which I'm sure Git's l10n\n>> team\n>> would be happy to have your communities support. -\n>> https://github.com/git-l10n and\n>> https://public-inbox.org/git/CANYiYbEJ3Gw=JvbhLBeFWBD7xLXxd=_fFdH3UX7\n>> 6H97ZU_3zKA@mail.gmail.com/#r\n>>\n>\n> That would be amazing since the second step in order to help open\n> source communities is knowing how to use git (the first one is teaching\n> them a programming language in order to be able to understand the code,\n> we are taking care of that too). This is something that we will need to\n> teach practicaly all of the members to do if they don't already know.\n> I'll be in contact with the team.\n>\n\nYou may also want to look at the https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 free book \nwhich can be translated by volunteers, and is possibly one of the first \nports of call for most users (top or near-top of search engine hits)\n\n>> The other idea is to consider how Git's version message, or\n>> something\n>> similar, should report the users current i18n settings, and any links\n>> to the\n>> right (e.g. local) support groups. At present, I don't see any\n>> obvious\n>> command to help users (and those on the help forums and lists) know\n>> what\n>> i18n nationality / language names to use for discussions. Sometimes\n>> it is\n>> worth ensuring these baby steps are in place.\n>>\n\nAnother very simple step is to read and comment on the commit messages sent \nto the list, particulalrly for ease of readability and ease of \ntranslation/comprehension.\n\nIt is very easy to write sentences that are too long. And with too many \nconjunctions.\n\nWe do not notice when we do it, having only been taught to write long \nflowery sentences for essays and novels...\n\nProof-reading the commit messages will also allow the reader to do directed \nresearch on just the particular item (both the use of language and the code \nstyle)\n\n>\n> Yes, thanks for taking this in consideration, the reallity here in\n> Peru, and I could say maybe in a lot of parts in Latinamerica is that\n> they don't produce technology since it is mucho more easy just to buy\n> something and the language doesn't help to make the learning curve\n> easier.\n>\n> I'll contact the translation team and I hope you won't mind if we could\n> say here that we contribute to the git project. It would be a lot\n> easier for me in order to go to invite people to the community in\n> educational institutions if I could say that the community helps very\n> big open source projects like git. And if there are some legal\n> procedures that I need to accomplish in order to be able to say it\n> publicly, it would be very kind of you if you point me into the right\n> direction.\n>\nWelcome to the community! All it takes is one email (a journey of a thousand \nmiles starts with the first step) [1]\n\n>\n> Thanks for all the info\n> Christopher Díaz Riveros\n\n[1] It's easy to feel overwhelmed by other who post.. can find the article \nbut... \n\n"},{"id":"325296","messageId":"1501509093.3232.58.camel@gmail.com","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"BEDE2127EE5B47F1A739DF583B7DBDE9@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Christopher Díaz","fromEmail":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","sentAt":"2017-07-31T13:51:33Z","receivedAt":"2017-07-31T13:51:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/14809105?v=4"},"body":"\n> You may also want to look at the https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2 free\n> book \n> which can be translated by volunteers, and is possibly one of the\n> first \n> ports of call for most users (top or near-top of search engine hits)\n> \n\nThanks for that info, I've already read that one a couple of weeks ago\nwhen I was trying to make my first PR to my community :) sure I can\nhelp with translations.\n\n\n\n> Another very simple step is to read and comment on the commit\n> messages sent \n> to the list, particulalrly for ease of readability and ease of \n> translation/comprehension.\n> \n> It is very easy to write sentences that are too long. And with too\n> many \n> conjunctions.\n> \n> We do not notice when we do it, having only been taught to write\n> long \n> flowery sentences for essays and novels...\n> \n> Proof-reading the commit messages will also allow the reader to do\n> directed \n> research on just the particular item (both the use of language and\n> the code \n> style)\n> \n\nThat is a very good point, I'll keep it on mind when we have more\nmembers and that may help them in having \"more\" fluent conversations.\n\n\n> > \n> Welcome to the community! All it takes is one email (a journey of a\n> thousand \n> miles starts with the first step) [1]\n> \n\nThank yoou all very much! I'll present myself then, since the last\npresentations don't say a lot about myself hehe.\n\nWell you all know that I am a software development student here. The\ninstitute here teaches us things like web (java, php, javascript) and\nmobile development (java, swift). On the other hand I think that in\norder to be a good developer (like real hackers) someone needs to\nunderstand how the machine thinks and works, that's why I've been\nlearning OS concepts and low level languages like Assembly and C by\nmyself in order to really understand how a computer works. I love open\nsource given the fact that it helps you to discover how other amazing\ndevelopers think and work. I've been using Linux-based distros since a\ncouple of years, I could even create my own Linux From Scratch once a\ncouple of months ago, that was a great learning experience :D but I\nstay with Gentoo linux since I've found there a lot of great\ninformation and the ability to learn about source code and get the max\nperformance from my laptop.\n\nI don't like web and mobile development, but I do enjoy breaking mobile\nand web apps :D that's why I'm focusing right now on cybersecurity.\nRight now I'm and intern in a company called BroderJobs here in Lima,\nas security analist (actually I'm the whole TI dptmnt).\n\nHere in Peru, sadly, open source is like a taboo... noone uses it,\nneither companies nor educational institutions. That's why I'm founding\nthis community, in order to give students the ability to connect with\nopen source communities and work with great developers. Right now we\nare 4, but I believe that when the classes begin again ( on August 15th\nme and some other universities one week later) I'm going to be able to\ninvite them and see how this project growths :D\n \nThat's why right now I'm getting in touch with lots of communities to\nsee how can we contribute and this could help me to present the\ncommunity to universities and other institutions so that they can see\nthat we actually help big communities.\n\nThat's me :) nice to meet you all\nChristopher Díaz Riveros\n"},{"id":"325656","messageId":"1502042042.3232.131.camel@gmail.com","threadId":"46485","inReplyTo":"CAH5451kzm-gh-7MRYie8nt17+yZdFLgzyPF3ZAwmL74SrR0XvA@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Contact with Latinamerica","fromName":"Christopher Díaz","fromEmail":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","sentAt":"2017-08-06T17:54:02Z","receivedAt":"2017-08-06T17:54:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christopher.diaz.riv@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/14809105?v=4"},"body":"Hi all :) \n\nI just wanted to let you know how are we going :)\n\nWe can say now that we are international! New members are working with\nus from Venezuela! \n\nBy now we are on the 50% of our git translation project, we hope to\nhave it ready for the next release :)\n\nThis is our first draft of the website, it took me a while to finish\nthe legal stuff but hopefully in a couple of weeks we are going to have\n all done and our english version of the web for you to share it :)\n\nhttps://codelabora.github.io/\n\nPlease feel free to add any comment or info that you want us to tell\nhere.\n\nThanks a lot for your participation in this project\nChristopher Díaz Riveros\n"}]}