{"thread":{"id":"43842","subject":"Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","startedAt":"2016-08-14T17:15:10Z","lastAt":"2016-09-07T01:08:29Z","messageCount":17,"participants":["Christian Couder","Junio C Hamano","Philip Oakley","Eric Wong","Jakub Narębski","Josh Triplett"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"299281","messageId":"CAP8UFD1iveotLsMOBnpa=hU4ohcQjZ-X7tjnzY4k+xz5KJvqBw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-14T17:15:00Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T17:15:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nA draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here:\n\n https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md\n\nEveryone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the\nabove page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on\nthis GitHub issue:\n\n https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170\n\nYou can also reply to this email.\n\nI tried to cc everyone who appears in this edition but maybe I missed\nsome people, sorry about that.\n\nThomas, Nicola and myself plan to publish this edition on Wednesday\nAugust 17. Sorry for the late draft again.\n\nThanks,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"299285","messageId":"xmqqeg5rkqy6.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1iveotLsMOBnpa=hU4ohcQjZ-X7tjnzY4k+xz5KJvqBw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2016-08-14T20:58:57Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T20:59:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Christian Couder writes:\n\n> You can also reply to this email.\n\nI am not sure that is to be recommended, as that ends up going to\nthe list, but anyway, these\n\n - Michael's \"finding better -/+ assignment in diff using indent\n heuristic\"\n\n - Philip Oakley's updates to revision range notation documentation\n\n - Kevin Willford's rather clever optimization on internal patch-id\n computation that is done to exclude already-applied commit while\n rebasing\n\nare interesting/noteworthy topics that may want to be covered in the\ndiscussion/review section.\n"},{"id":"299287","messageId":"D5A2E231FFE74D1C891A1653E1C2D797@PhilipOakley","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD1iveotLsMOBnpa=hU4ohcQjZ-X7tjnzY4k+xz5KJvqBw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Philip Oakley","fromEmail":"philipoakley@iee.org","sentAt":"2016-08-14T21:10:49Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T21:10:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"philipoakley@iee.email","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/914343?v=4"},"body":"From: \"Christian Couder\" \n> Hi,\n>\n> A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here:\n>\n> \n> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md\n>\n> Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the\n> above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on\n> this GitHub issue:\n>\n> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170\n>\n> You can also reply to this email.\n>\n> I tried to cc everyone who appears in this edition but maybe I missed\n> some people, sorry about that.\n>\n> Thomas, Nicola and myself plan to publish this edition on Wednesday\n> August 17. Sorry for the late draft again.\n>\n> Thanks,\n> Christian.\n> --\n\nI see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom) \nthat gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the \nalternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox \nhttps://public-inbox.org/git/.\n\nI've found it very useful and probably easier to use. (now I've seen \nhttps://public-inbox.org/design_www.html)\n\n--\nPhilip \n\n"},{"id":"299304","messageId":"20160814231000.GB12202@dcvr","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"D5A2E231FFE74D1C891A1653E1C2D797@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-08-14T23:10:00Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T23:15:47Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Philip Oakley wrote:\n> From: \"Christian Couder\" \n> >You can also reply to this email.\n> \n> I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom)\n> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the\n> alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n> https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n\nThanks, I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up\nin instance I maintain via:\n\n\tpublic-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456\n\nIt might be worth it to convert numeric links to Message-IDs in older\neditions, as I also published a mapping at:\n\n https://public-inbox.org/.temp/gmane.comp.version-control.git-300599.txt.gz\n\n> I've found it very useful and probably easier to use. (now I've seen\n> https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html)\n\nBased on closer reading of RFC3986, section 3.3, I deployed a\nchange to URL generation last night so the \"%40\" escape for '@'\nno longer shows up in generated URLs (along with a few other\ncharacters):\n\n https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160814105152.21925-1-e@80x24.org/\n\nIt might be worth updating this edition to avoid the percent\nescaping since it might confuse users about what the Message-IDs\nare (and to avoid users passing \"%40\" into their MUA)\n\nOld URLs will always continue working, of course.\n"},{"id":"299308","messageId":"979EDD785BDC4C16A51CEBBD991B3A5D@PhilipOakley","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160814231000.GB12202@dcvr","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Philip Oakley","fromEmail":"philipoakley@iee.org","sentAt":"2016-08-14T23:37:48Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T23:37:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"philipoakley@iee.email","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/914343?v=4"},"body":"From: \"Eric Wong\" \n> Philip Oakley wrote:\n>> From: \"Christian Couder\" \n>> >You can also reply to this email.\n>>\n>> I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom)\n>> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of \n>> the\n>> alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n>> https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n>\n> Thanks,\n\nWould including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible? Maybe to the \nwww-design page or whatever, just to make the users aware of the wider \nresourses, and a few key ways of entering search queries (such as the \n\"gmane:123456\" which gets that msg, while \"gmane/123456\" will get all \nmessages that refered to that message (pure text search)..\n\n\n> I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up\n> in instance I maintain via:\n>\n> public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456\n>\n[snip]\n--\nPhilip \n\n"},{"id":"299310","messageId":"20160814235722.GA9605@starla","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"979EDD785BDC4C16A51CEBBD991B3A5D@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-08-14T23:57:22Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-14T23:57:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Philip Oakley wrote:\n> From: \"Eric Wong\" \n> >Philip Oakley wrote:\n> >>From: \"Christian Couder\" \n> >>>You can also reply to this email.\n> >>\n> >>I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom)\n> >>that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of\n> >>the\n> >>alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n> >>https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n> >\n> >Thanks,\n> \n> Would including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible?\n\nYes, there'll definitely be online help with generic\ninstructions and also instructions specific to each instance\nso things like \"gmane:N\" can be documented.\n\nThere's also bunch of search prefixes I need to document, like\n\"s:\" for subject and whatever the built-in timestamp/date range\nparser for Xapian is. I keep forgetting the Xapian query syntax\nmyself!\n"},{"id":"299314","messageId":"CAP8UFD2Keig92stsNsQwm-xQWDU4SS3NoonnLG_swWzLdE4Xnw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160814231000.GB12202@dcvr","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-15T06:16:14Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-15T06:16:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 1:10 AM, Eric Wong wrote:\n> Philip Oakley wrote:\n>> From: \"Christian Couder\" \n>> >You can also reply to this email.\n>>\n>> I see you mention in passing (weel in the small headings near the bottom)\n>> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of the\n>> alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n>> https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n>\n> Thanks, I will also add that existing gmane links can be looked up\n> in instance I maintain via:\n>\n> public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456\n\nYeah, I agree that we really needed to add something about\npublic-inbox, so I added the following:\n\n@@ -147,7 +147,13 @@ __Light reading__\n\n __Git tools and sites__\n\n-* Gmane (a mailing list archive that was used heavily by some Git\ndevelopers) [shut down its web\nsite](https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502).\n+* Gmane (a mailing list archive that was used heavily by some Git developers)\n+[shut down its web\nsite](https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/comment-page-1/#comment-13502).\n+* [public-inbox](https://public-inbox.org/), which is under heavy\ndevelopement by Eric Wong, has\n+[a git archive](https://public-inbox.org/git/) that is now used a lot\ninstead of Gmane.\n+[It allows](https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html) looking up\n+existing Gmane links using their Gmane id with URLs like\n+`http://public-inbox.org/git/?q=gmane:123456`.\n\n ## Credits\n\n---\n(See: https://github.com/git/git.github.io/commit/66d72b0bd9ef38587dd7d5c4c6825a7984f2f2af)\n\nThanks!\n"},{"id":"299315","messageId":"CAP8UFD2mfa2hNDknEt=bsbXVn4xSSiyVYz94KL_JPbD66QrfPg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"xmqqeg5rkqy6.fsf@gitster.mtv.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-15T06:17:49Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-15T06:17:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Christian Couder writes:\n>\n>> You can also reply to this email.\n>\n> I am not sure that is to be recommended, as that ends up going to\n> the list, but anyway, these\n>\n> - Michael's \"finding better -/+ assignment in diff using indent\n> heuristic\"\n>\n> - Philip Oakley's updates to revision range notation documentation\n>\n> - Kevin Willford's rather clever optimization on internal patch-id\n> computation that is done to exclude already-applied commit while\n> rebasing\n>\n> are interesting/noteworthy topics that may want to be covered in the\n> discussion/review section.\n\nYeah, these are great topics and I would be glad if they could be\ncovered by someone else ;-)\n"},{"id":"299365","messageId":"9f3b254f-451e-4f6d-233c-7e995d8e369e@gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"D5A2E231FFE74D1C891A1653E1C2D797@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Jakub Narębski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-15T18:08:24Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-15T18:08:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"W dniu 14.08.2016 o 23:10, Philip Oakley pisze:\n> From: \"Christian Couder\" \n>>\n>> A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here:\n>>\n>>\n>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md\n>>\n>> Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the\n>> above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on\n>> this GitHub issue:\n>>\n>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170\n>>\n>> You can also reply to this email.\n> \n> I see you mention in passing (well in the small headings near the bottom)\n> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of\n> the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n> https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n\nIt would be nice to turn it into mini-story rather than just putting\na link.\n\nAdditional references / information:\n\n* \"Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?\" thread, starting with\n Message-Id: <481D1EE2-6A66-418F-AB28-95947BBF3680@gmail.com>\n\n Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox:\n\n https://marc.info/?i=%s\n https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s\n https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s\n\n for finding message based on Message-Id\n\n NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned\n in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated)\n https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity\n\n* \"Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?\" short note / article on LWN.net,\n https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake],\n part of \"Announcements\" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section\n of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016 \n (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/)\n\n> I've found it very useful and probably easier to use.\n> (now I've seen https://public-inbox.org/design_www.html)\n\nIt's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just\ndirectory index, not a true home page.\n\n-- \nJakub Narębski\n\n"},{"id":"299368","messageId":"6b492c8c-2c75-9258-03dc-78346c98ff69@gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"9f3b254f-451e-4f6d-233c-7e995d8e369e@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Jakub Narębski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-15T18:25:54Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-15T18:26:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"W dniu 15.08.2016 o 20:08, Jakub Narębski pisze:\n[...]\n> Additional references / information:\n> \n> * \"Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?\" thread, starting with\n> Message-Id: <481D1EE2-6A66-418F-AB28-95947BBF3680@gmail.com>\n> \n> Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox:\n> \n> https://marc.info/?i=%s\n> https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s\n> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s\n> \n> for finding message based on Message-Id\n> \n> NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned\n> in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated)\n> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity\n> \n> * \"Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?\" short note / article on LWN.net,\n> https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake],\n> part of \"Announcements\" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section\n> of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016 \n> (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/)\n\n* \"A note from the maintainer\" from 12 Aug 2016\n Message-Id: \n \n includes updated links to mailing list archives, post-Gmane,\n and some discussion about public-archive.org\n\n-- \nJakub Narębski\n\n"},{"id":"299442","messageId":"20160816093027.GA27347@dcvr","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"9f3b254f-451e-4f6d-233c-7e995d8e369e@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-08-16T09:30:27Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-16T09:31:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Jakub Narębski wrote:\n> It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just\n> directory index, not a true home page.\n\n+Cc meta@public-inbox.org\n\nI'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the\nminimalist nature of plain-text email.\n\nIn the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/\nhomepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each\npublic-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code\nbranch attached to it with the source+docs bundled.\n\n\nAt least for now, other pages are more easily discoverable[1]\nbut one day I hope to have repobrowse[2] running there (and\nmaybe everywhere).\n\n\nFor now, I am prioritizing user/admin/hacker documentation so\nmore instances can exist. I'll probably get some online help\nstuff up tomorrow.\n\n\n[1] at least the top-level of public-inbox.org already has more\n content than both YHBT.net and bogomips.org combined :)\n\n[2] git clone -b repobrowse https://public-inbox.org/ ...\n (idle the moment: think cgit|gitweb with the same (lack of)\n style as public-inbox, +search, +mail thread integration)\n"},{"id":"299443","messageId":"20160816093412.v3tenw4vyxipunah@x","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160816093027.GA27347@dcvr","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Josh Triplett","fromEmail":"josh@joshtriplett.org","sentAt":"2016-08-16T09:34:12Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-16T09:42:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josh@joshtriplett.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/162737?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote:\n> Jakub Narębski wrote:\n> > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just\n> > directory index, not a true home page.\n> \n> +Cc meta@public-inbox.org\n> \n> I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the\n> minimalist nature of plain-text email.\n> \n> In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/\n> homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each\n> public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code\n> branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled.\n\nIt'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far\nas I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/.\n"},{"id":"299447","messageId":"CAP8UFD24QpuOOh1b3LCbnuF-0TSJC7E34mjvqo3zdebb_spNxw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"9f3b254f-451e-4f6d-233c-7e995d8e369e@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2016-08-16T12:27:29Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-16T12:28:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:08 PM, Jakub Narębski wrote:\n> W dniu 14.08.2016 o 23:10, Philip Oakley pisze:\n>> From: \"Christian Couder\" \n>>>\n>>> A draft of a new Git Rev News edition is available here:\n>>>\n>>>\n>>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/blob/master/rev_news/drafts/edition-18.md\n>>>\n>>> Everyone is welcome to contribute in any section either by editing the\n>>> above page on GitHub and sending a pull request, or by commenting on\n>>> this GitHub issue:\n>>>\n>>> https://github.com/git/git.github.io/issues/170\n>>>\n>>> You can also reply to this email.\n>>\n>> I see you mention in passing (well in the small headings near the bottom)\n>> that gmane web interface has gone away. It may be worth noting a few of\n>> the alternatives, and in particular Eric's newly updated public-inbox\n>> https://public-inbox.org/git/.\n>\n> It would be nice to turn it into mini-story rather than just putting\n> a link.\n\nYeah, it would be also very welcome if someone could send a patch or a\npull request for a mini-story about it.\n\n> Additional references / information:\n>\n> * \"Alternatives to mid.gmane.org?\" thread, starting with\n> Message-Id: <481D1EE2-6A66-418F-AB28-95947BBF3680@gmail.com>\n>\n> Mentions a few alternatives besides public-inbox:\n>\n> https://marc.info/?i=%s\n> https://mid.mail-archive.com/%s\n> https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/%s\n>\n> for finding message based on Message-Id\n>\n> NOTE: there are a few mailing list archive sites not mentioned\n> in this thread, like Nabble, some of them listed on (not updated)\n> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity\n>\n> * \"Ingebrigtsen: The End of Gmane?\" short note / article on LWN.net,\n> https://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ [Posted July 28, 2016 by jake],\n> part of \"Announcements\" (http://lwn.net/Articles/695980/) section\n> of LWN.net Weekly Edition for August 4, 2016\n> (http://lwn.net/Articles/695974/)\n\nThanks for this. Maybe you could just add those in a pull request or a\npatch to the \"Git tools and sites\" sub section just after the item\nabout public-inbox?\n\nThanks anyway!\n"},{"id":"299517","messageId":"20160816212704.GA25034@dcvr","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160816093412.v3tenw4vyxipunah@x","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-08-16T21:27:04Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-16T21:27:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Josh Triplett wrote:\n> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote:\n> > Jakub Narębski wrote:\n> > > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just\n> > > directory index, not a true home page.\n> > \n> > +Cc meta@public-inbox.org\n> > \n> > I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the\n> > minimalist nature of plain-text email.\n> > \n> > In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/\n> > homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each\n> > public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code\n> > branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled.\n> \n> It'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far\n> as I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/.\n\nI'm not sure that's necessary; most of the traffic seems to come\nfrom /git/MESSAGE_ID/ links posted by others. So it's\nprobably more inside-out exposure than anything.\n\nAs for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it,\nyet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are\none-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along\nwith public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting\nanything I do, really.\n\nI do wish more people would start using the .onions, though...\n"},{"id":"299523","messageId":"20160816223215.GC17195@cloud","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160816212704.GA25034@dcvr","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Josh Triplett","fromEmail":"josh@joshtriplett.org","sentAt":"2016-08-16T22:32:15Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-16T22:32:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josh@joshtriplett.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/162737?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:27:04PM +0000, Eric Wong wrote:\n> Josh Triplett wrote:\n> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:30:27AM +0000, Eric Wong wrote:\n> > > Jakub Narębski wrote:\n> > > > It's a great pity that https://public-inbox.org/ is just\n> > > > directory index, not a true home page.\n> > > \n> > > +Cc meta@public-inbox.org\n> > > \n> > > I'm not sure one could do better while staying true to the\n> > > minimalist nature of plain-text email.\n> > > \n> > > In the spirit of decentralization, there may not be /a/\n> > > homepage, but many. Everything is meant to clonable with each\n> > > public-inbox, so maybe every public-inbox will have a code\n> > > branch attached to it with the source+docs bundled.\n> > \n> > It'd be nice if it had a prominent list of all lists available; as far\n> > as I can tell, the main page has no link to /git/.\n> \n> I'm not sure that's necessary; most of the traffic seems to come\n> from /git/MESSAGE_ID/ links posted by others. So it's\n> probably more inside-out exposure than anything.\n\nIf someone hears about public-inbox, it's nice to know what other lists\nthey can use it for.\n\n> As for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it,\n> yet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are\n> one-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along\n> with public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting\n> anything I do, really.\n\nPlease take this as encouragement to do so. I'd love to see the\npublic-inbox equivalent to the main page of https://lists.debian.org/ ,\nas an example. (And I'd love to have public-inbox archives of Debian\nmailing lists.)\n"},{"id":"299598","messageId":"20160818100301.GA30896@dcvr","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"979EDD785BDC4C16A51CEBBD991B3A5D@PhilipOakley","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-08-18T10:03:02Z","receivedAt":"2016-08-18T10:11:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Philip Oakley wrote:\n> Would including a 'help' link on the main pages be possible? Maybe to the\n> www-design page or whatever, just to make the users aware of the wider\n> resourses, and a few key ways of entering search queries (such as the\n> \"gmane:123456\" which gets that msg, while \"gmane/123456\" will get all\n> messages that refered to that message (pure text search)..\n\nFinally added https://public-inbox.org/git/_/text/help/\n\nI actually totally overdid some things and trimmed it down before\npublishing because I felt like it was becoming it's own wiki :x\n\n https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160818095150.17118-1-e@80x24.org/T/\n\nAnyways, I'm still thinking there might be too much or too little\ndetail. I don't know how well-known Atom feeds are, even.\n"},{"id":"301237","messageId":"20160907010820.GA26951@dcvr","threadId":"43842","inReplyTo":"20160816223215.GC17195@cloud","subject":"Re: Draft of Git Rev News edition 18","fromName":"Eric Wong","fromEmail":"e@80x24.org","sentAt":"2016-09-07T01:08:20Z","receivedAt":"2016-09-07T01:08:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"e@80x24.org","avatar":null},"body":"Josh Triplett wrote:\n> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 09:27:04PM +0000, Eric Wong wrote:\n> > As for other projects, I'm not aware of anybody else using it,\n> > yet. I have some small projects using it, but most of those are\n> > one-off throwaways and I'm not comfortable promoting those along\n> > with public-inbox. I admit: I'm not comfortable promoting\n> > anything I do, really.\n> \n> Please take this as encouragement to do so. I'd love to see the\n> public-inbox equivalent to the main page of https://lists.debian.org/ ,\n> as an example. (And I'd love to have public-inbox archives of Debian\n> mailing lists.)\n\nJust pushed out some POD (which should build to manpages),\nso maybe early adopters can start hosting mirrors themselves(*).\n\n https://public-inbox.org/meta/20160907004907.1479-1-e@80x24.org/\n\nI hope public-inbox-overview(7) is a good starting point\n(along with the existing INSTALL) and there'll be more docs\ncoming at some point...\n\n\nWriting documentation tends to make my attention span drift all\nover the place; so maybe parts don't make sense or were glossed\nover, but I'll be glad to help clarify anything. (Responding\nto emails is generally easier for me since I can answer things\nspecifically, tough to do for generic docs)\n\n\nI'll try to get a tarball release out soonish,\nbut my schedule is unpredictable.\n\n\n(*) None of the code has had any security audit, yet;\n and there's no warranty of course.\n"}]}