{"thread":{"id":"4382","subject":"[PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","startedAt":"2006-06-03T20:26:59Z","lastAt":"2006-06-07T08:53:31Z","messageCount":7,"participants":["horst.h.von.brand@inf.utfsm.cl","Jakub Narebski","Junio C Hamano","Nikolai Weibull","Andreas Ericsson"],"isPatch":true,"patchVersion":1,"patchTotal":27},"messages":[{"id":"21144","messageId":"33723.2579863214$1149366476@news.gmane.org","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"","fromEmail":"horst.h.von.brand@inf.utfsm.cl","sentAt":"2006-06-03T20:26:59Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-03T20:26:59Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"horst.h.von.brand@inf.utfsm.cl","avatar":null},"body":"From: Horst H. von Brand \n\nResult of a run of aspell(1) over the *.txt files in Documentation. Also\nfixed several other typoes.\n\nSigned-off-by: Horst H. von Brand \n---\n"},{"id":"21170","messageId":"e5ssqp$mfh$1@sea.gmane.org","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"33723.2579863214$1149366476@news.gmane.org","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2006-06-03T20:52:45Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-03T20:52:45Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Horst.H.von.Brand@inf.utfsm.cl wrote:\n\n> From: Horst H. von Brand \n> \n> Result of a run of aspell(1) over the *.txt files in Documentation. Also\n> fixed several other typoes.\n\nSome of them (behavior vs. behaviour) are just the difference between\nAmerican nad British English. And couldn't do that all in _one_ patch?\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nWarsaw, Poland\n"},{"id":"21178","messageId":"7vk67xenfe.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"33723.2579863214$1149366476@news.gmane.org","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"junkio@cox.net","sentAt":"2006-06-04T01:09:57Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-04T01:09:57Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Thanks.\n\nMost do not seem to be typoes, depending on where you learned\nthe language (XYZour vs XYZor; ok, Ok, and OK; ie vs i.e.). I\nfavour the latter two changes myself, but honestly, I do not\ndeeply care that much. The rest are real typos.\n\nIt seems that 1/27 did not make here, nor either of the two big\nmailing list archives (gmane and marc).\n"},{"id":"21213","messageId":"dbfc82860606041059l31605bc5j18ad2b35ea6f6dc0@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"7vk67xenfe.fsf@assigned-by-dhcp.cox.net","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Nikolai Weibull","fromEmail":"now@bitwi.se","sentAt":"2006-06-04T17:59:04Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-04T17:59:04Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"now@bitwi.se","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/d9242f067845cf9a72be23e4213c3b6e53492178e5df97372088a441af846133?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 6/4/06, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Most do not seem to be typoes, depending on where you learned\n> the language (XYZour vs XYZor; ok, Ok, and OK; ie vs i.e.).\n\nWhere do you write \"ie\" instead of \"i.e.\"?\n\nIn Swedish, there has been a trend to remove dots from abbreviated\nexpressions, but it seems people are returning to use dots.\nPersonally, I find that dots make things a lot clearer.\n\n nikolai\n"},{"id":"21257","messageId":"4484239C.7020608@op5.se","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"dbfc82860606041059l31605bc5j18ad2b35ea6f6dc0@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Andreas Ericsson","fromEmail":"ae@op5.se","sentAt":"2006-06-05T12:29:16Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-05T12:29:16Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"ae@op5.se","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/426e89595c75a8f5252dd0c989e5fabe5bcac616e68557427ad9aef6b0ca342a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Nikolai Weibull wrote:\n> On 6/4/06, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> \n>> Most do not seem to be typoes, depending on where you learned\n>> the language (XYZour vs XYZor; ok, Ok, and OK; ie vs i.e.).\n> \n> \n> Where do you write \"ie\" instead of \"i.e.\"?\n> \n\nMailing lists, online conversations, tech docs written in code \neditors... Compare with online'ish abbrevs (afaict, iirc, imo, fyi).\n\n> In Swedish, there has been a trend to remove dots from abbreviated\n> expressions, but it seems people are returning to use dots.\n> Personally, I find that dots make things a lot clearer.\n> \n\nSwedish has lots of abbreviations where one \"part\" of the abbreviation \nconsists of multiple characters, like t.ex.\n\nWhen each character of the abbrev defines one complete word dots are \njust prettiness-noise, their presence or absence decided by the gravity \nof the meaning (\"R.I.P.\" vs \"ie\"). Obviously, correctness never hurts \nbut this is, on two accounts, punktknulleri.\n\n-- \nAndreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se\nOP5 AB www.op5.se\nTel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231\n"},{"id":"21261","messageId":"dbfc82860606050948t5c952f65m364a455e0e83ec8@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"4484239C.7020608@op5.se","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Nikolai Weibull","fromEmail":"now@bitwi.se","sentAt":"2006-06-05T16:48:11Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-05T16:48:11Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"now@bitwi.se","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/d9242f067845cf9a72be23e4213c3b6e53492178e5df97372088a441af846133?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 6/5/06, Andreas Ericsson wrote:\n> Nikolai Weibull wrote:\n> > On 6/4/06, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> >\n> >> Most do not seem to be typoes, depending on where you learned\n> >> the language (XYZour vs XYZor; ok, Ok, and OK; ie vs i.e.).\n> >\n> > Where do you write \"ie\" instead of \"i.e.\"?\n> >\n>\n> Mailing lists, online conversations, tech docs written in code\n> editors...\n\nDo you mean that code editors usually don't let you enter a dot into\nthe buffer, or what?\n\n> Compare with online'ish abbrevs (afaict, iirc, imo, fyi).\n\nThat's hardly the same thing. Most people would upcase AFAICT, IIRC,\nIMO, and FYI.\n\nI wouldn't group \"i.e.\" with such abbreviations in any case. (Hehe.)\n\n> > In Swedish, there has been a trend to remove dots from abbreviated\n> > expressions, but it seems people are returning to use dots.\n> > Personally, I find that dots make things a lot clearer.\n>\n> Swedish has lots of abbreviations where one \"part\" of the abbreviation\n> consists of multiple characters, like t.ex.\n\nAnd \"bl.a.\".\n\n> When each character of the abbrev defines one complete word dots are\n> just prettiness-noise, their presence or absence decided by the gravity\n> of the meaning (\"R.I.P.\" vs \"ie\"). Obviously, correctness never hurts\n> but this is, on two accounts, punktknulleri.\n\nConsidering that people don't want to get stuck on trying to\nunderstand what the word \"ie\" is supposed to mean in a manual page\nthey're trying to understand what some command does (this happened to\nme), I really think that fucking with the dots is called for.\n\nAnyway, the general guidelines recommended by \"The Chicago Manual of Style\" are:\n\nUse periods with abbreviations that appear in lowercase letters; use\nno periods with abbreviations that appear in full capitals or small\ncapitals, whether two letters or more.\n\nOne possible solution is to expand \"i.e.\" to \"that is\" (or something\nequally befitting) and \"e.g.\" to \"for example\", \"such as\", or similar.\n\n nikolai\n"},{"id":"21374","messageId":"4486940B.1040905@op5.se","threadId":"4382","inReplyTo":"dbfc82860606050948t5c952f65m364a455e0e83ec8@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [PATCH 0/27] Documentation: Spelling fixes","fromName":"Andreas Ericsson","fromEmail":"ae@op5.se","sentAt":"2006-06-07T08:53:31Z","receivedAt":"2006-06-07T08:53:31Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"ae@op5.se","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/426e89595c75a8f5252dd0c989e5fabe5bcac616e68557427ad9aef6b0ca342a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Nikolai Weibull wrote:\n> On 6/5/06, Andreas Ericsson wrote:\n> \n>> Nikolai Weibull wrote:\n>> > On 6/4/06, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n>> >\n>> >> Most do not seem to be typoes, depending on where you learned\n>> >> the language (XYZour vs XYZor; ok, Ok, and OK; ie vs i.e.).\n>> >\n>> > Where do you write \"ie\" instead of \"i.e.\"?\n>> >\n>>\n>> Mailing lists, online conversations, tech docs written in code\n>> editors...\n> \n> \n> Do you mean that code editors usually don't let you enter a dot into\n> the buffer, or what?\n> \n\nNo, I mean that people are lazy when writing online and for an audience \nthat broadly share the same sort of text-digesting mind, so they don't \nbother with the dots.\n\n>> Compare with online'ish abbrevs (afaict, iirc, imo, fyi).\n> \n> \n> That's hardly the same thing.\n\n\nWhy not? Both are examples of one-letter-per-word abbreviations.\n\n\n> Most people would upcase AFAICT, IIRC,\n> IMO, and FYI.\n> \n\nTrue, but both forms are common enough. I guess I'm one of the lazier \nones, since I regularly use lower-case.\n\n> I wouldn't group \"i.e.\" with such abbreviations in any case. (Hehe.)\n> \n\nI fail to see why not. I also fail to care very much, so feel free not \nto respond. ;)\n\n> \n>> When each character of the abbrev defines one complete word dots are\n>> just prettiness-noise, their presence or absence decided by the gravity\n>> of the meaning (\"R.I.P.\" vs \"ie\"). Obviously, correctness never hurts\n>> but this is, on two accounts, punktknulleri.\n> \n> \n> Considering that people don't want to get stuck on trying to\n> understand what the word \"ie\" is supposed to mean in a manual page\n> they're trying to understand what some command does (this happened to\n> me), I really think that fucking with the dots is called for.\n> \n> Anyway, the general guidelines recommended by \"The Chicago Manual of \n> Style\" are:\n> \n> Use periods with abbreviations that appear in lowercase letters; use\n> no periods with abbreviations that appear in full capitals or small\n> capitals, whether two letters or more.\n> \n> One possible solution is to expand \"i.e.\" to \"that is\" (or something\n> equally befitting) and \"e.g.\" to \"for example\", \"such as\", or similar.\n> \n\nThis is most likely the best solution as it's easier for foreign readers \nwith limited proficiency in reading english and english abbreviations \nborrowed from latin, as they don't make sense if you try to put in \nenglish words matching the abbreviation, dots or no dots. This gave me \nquite a headache when I was twelve and tried to install Linux for the \nfirst time :)\n\n-- \nAndreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se\nOP5 AB www.op5.se\nTel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231\n"}]}