{"thread":{"id":"38646","subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","startedAt":"2015-02-24T22:09:24Z","lastAt":"2015-04-07T18:51:52Z","messageCount":24,"participants":["Jeff King","Junio C Hamano","Stefan Beller","Sebastian Schuberth","Christian Couder","Michael J Gruber","David Kastrup","Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen","Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"256600","messageId":"20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2015-02-24T22:09:24Z","receivedAt":"2015-02-24T22:09:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\ndetails have been posted at:\n\n http://git-merge.com/\n\nsince my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\nthe contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\nthat can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\nlibgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n\n 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n are.\n\n 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n beforehand.\n\nIf you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n who is organizing the event. If you would like\nto come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\nconference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n\nIf you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\nanswers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"256603","messageId":"xmqqoaojos6y.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2015-02-24T22:33:41Z","receivedAt":"2015-02-24T22:33:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Jeff King writes:\n\n> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n> details have been posted at:\n>\n> http://git-merge.com/\n>\n> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda.\n> ...\n> If you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\n> answers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n\nI'm likely to come to the Summit, but I wonder what the timetable\nfor the 8th look like. Is the \"Get Together\" designed to overlap\nthe Summit time-wise? Is the Together there so that those not\nattending the Summit can kill time? Do those attending the Summit\npartcipate in the Together, too?\n"},{"id":"256611","messageId":"CAGZ79kZrZhg1bQZxRdjKgkvzwB582tiJcFabViX28mxLVeL0xw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Stefan Beller","fromEmail":"sbeller@google.com","sentAt":"2015-02-25T00:47:40Z","receivedAt":"2015-02-25T00:47:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"stefanbeller@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/455868?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>\n> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n> beforehand.\n\nI am planning to discuss the next git version protocol(s?) which can handle lots\nof refs with anybody interested.\n"},{"id":"256616","messageId":"54ED8560.9020701@gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAGZ79kZrZhg1bQZxRdjKgkvzwB582tiJcFabViX28mxLVeL0xw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Sebastian Schuberth","fromEmail":"sschuberth@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-02-25T08:18:40Z","receivedAt":"2015-02-25T08:18:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sschuberth@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/349154?v=4"},"body":"On 25.02.2015 01:47, Stefan Beller wrote:\n\n>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n>> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n>> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n>> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n>> beforehand.\n>\n> I am planning to discuss the next git version protocol(s?) which can handle lots\n> of refs with anybody interested.\n\nSounds like this could be interesting for Gerrit users with a lot of \nrefs/changes, so I'll make sure to have a chat with you if I manage to \ncome to the summit.\n\n-- \nSebastian Schuberth\n"},{"id":"257104","messageId":"CAP8UFD27xaJU3QFuQZqADmh=ZseiN=Y1WCFPk4v4RzizK=2Xtg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-03-05T20:53:06Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-05T20:53:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n> details have been posted at:\n>\n> http://git-merge.com/\n>\n> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>\n> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n> you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n> are.\n>\n> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n> beforehand.\n>\n> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n\nI'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back\nthe travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come.\nFor example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back:\n\n- all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask,\n- half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers\nwho come and ask,\n- all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who\ncome and ask,\n\nI think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like\nenough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC\nmoney. What do you think?\n\nApart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some\ndevelopers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare\nroom.\n\nSo please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come.\n\nThanks,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"257112","messageId":"xmqqlhjb13s3.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD27xaJU3QFuQZqADmh=ZseiN=Y1WCFPk4v4RzizK=2Xtg@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2015-03-05T22:24:28Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-05T22:24:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Christian Couder writes:\n\n> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>> details have been posted at:\n>>\n>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>\n>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>\n>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>> ...\n>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>> ...\n>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>\n> I'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back\n> the travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come.\n> For example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back:\n>\n> - all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask,\n> - half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers\n> who come and ask,\n> - all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who\n> come and ask,\n>\n> I think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like\n> enough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC\n> money. What do you think?\n\nI personally perfer things to be kept informal---it would keep\nthings simpler for everybody. You do not have to wonder what you\nshould do when you think you are among the five most important\npeople and you also know your employer will pay for the conference\nif you asked, for example.\n\nIt feels to me that the suggestion Peff gave in his announce to ask\nprivately for case-by-case arrangement strikes the balance much\nbetter.\n\n> Apart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some\n> developers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare\n> room.\n>\n> So please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come.\n\nThese five lines, by not explicitly saying something like \"the first\n2 people who ask can crash in Christian's spare bedroom\", is doing\nexactly the same thing as Peff did by saying \"please talk to me\noff-list\", it seems to me at least. Both keep things informal and\nsimple, and both arrange things on case-by-case basis as needed.\n\nAnd I think that is better than setting a seemingly hard rules\nupfront, and causing more problems unnecessarily (e.g. who decides\nwho are the 5 most important, for example?).\n"},{"id":"257146","messageId":"54F986D6.5000607@drmicha.warpmail.net","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"xmqqlhjb13s3.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"git@drmicha.warpmail.net","sentAt":"2015-03-06T10:52:06Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T10:52:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 05.03.2015 23:24:\n> Christian Couder writes:\n> \n>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>>> details have been posted at:\n>>>\n>>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>>\n>>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>>\n>>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>>> ...\n>>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>>> ...\n>>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>>\n>> I'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back\n>> the travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come.\n>> For example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back:\n>>\n>> - all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask,\n>> - half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers\n>> who come and ask,\n>> - all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who\n>> come and ask,\n>>\n>> I think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like\n>> enough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC\n>> money. What do you think?\n> \n> I personally perfer things to be kept informal---it would keep\n> things simpler for everybody. You do not have to wonder what you\n> should do when you think you are among the five most important\n> people and you also know your employer will pay for the conference\n> if you asked, for example.\n> \n> It feels to me that the suggestion Peff gave in his announce to ask\n> privately for case-by-case arrangement strikes the balance much\n> better.\n> \n>> Apart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some\n>> developers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare\n>> room.\n>>\n>> So please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come.\n> \n> These five lines, by not explicitly saying something like \"the first\n> 2 people who ask can crash in Christian's spare bedroom\", is doing\n> exactly the same thing as Peff did by saying \"please talk to me\n> off-list\", it seems to me at least. Both keep things informal and\n> simple, and both arrange things on case-by-case basis as needed.\n> \n> And I think that is better than setting a seemingly hard rules\n> upfront, and causing more problems unnecessarily (e.g. who decides\n> who are the 5 most important, for example?).\n\nOh yes, that would be an interesting metric to define...\n\nOTOH I can see where Christian's question is coming from:\nWho is even supposed to ask for support? Not just as in \"who is a\ndeveloper\", but also \"what are finance hardships\":\n\nAt scientific conferences which I'm going to, there is often \"support\nfor those who need it\", and that typically means participants from \"less\nfortunate countries\" (to avoid the usual world-counting term). Everyone\nelse is expected to be covered by their academic employer - and if not,\nit's not even okay to ask the organisers. I guess that's what some of us\nare having in mind.\n\nThat still leaves the question:\nIs there any space left in Christian's spare bedroom? :)\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"257155","messageId":"CAP8UFD2akA-ci8wXiE2bD0MpPa5v4_8bbc_yWEec0QaV31GzUQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"xmqqlhjb13s3.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-03-06T12:06:15Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T12:06:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Christian Couder writes:\n>\n>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>>> details have been posted at:\n>>>\n>>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>>\n>>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>>\n>>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>>> ...\n>>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>>> ...\n>>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>>\n>> I'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back\n>> the travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come.\n>> For example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back:\n>>\n>> - all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask,\n>> - half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers\n>> who come and ask,\n>> - all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who\n>> come and ask,\n>>\n>> I think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like\n>> enough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC\n>> money. What do you think?\n>\n> I personally perfer things to be kept informal---it would keep\n> things simpler for everybody. You do not have to wonder what you\n> should do when you think you are among the five most important\n> people and you also know your employer will pay for the conference\n> if you asked, for example.\n>\n> It feels to me that the suggestion Peff gave in his announce to ask\n> privately for case-by-case arrangement strikes the balance much\n> better.\n\nMy opinion is that it is good to give developers who could come an\nidea of what the Git project should at least be able and willing to\nfund, because most developers might have no idea about that.\n\nFor example many developers who contributed say less than 50 patches\nto Git may think that they have no chance of being payed back anything\nwhich might not be true at all. And by the way to make that clear, it\nwould be nice if the Git project could say for example every few weeks\nhow many people have asked for something.\n\nI don't think there is a perfect way to do this kind of thing, but I\nthink being more transparent and upfront while still taking care of\nprivacy issues and leaving some room for discussion, can only help.\n\n>> Apart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some\n>> developers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare\n>> room.\n>>\n>> So please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come.\n>\n> These five lines, by not explicitly saying something like \"the first\n> 2 people who ask can crash in Christian's spare bedroom\", is doing\n> exactly the same thing as Peff did by saying \"please talk to me\n> off-list\", it seems to me at least. Both keep things informal and\n> simple, and both arrange things on case-by-case basis as needed.\n\nI must say that it is quite different, because in case of my spare\nbedroom I am the only one who decides according to my own priorities.\nFor example if too many people ask to be accommodated and one of them\nhelped me personally in the past, I will be much more likely to chose\nhim regardless of his importance for the Git project.\n\n> And I think that is better than setting a seemingly hard rules\n> upfront, and causing more problems unnecessarily (e.g. who decides\n> who are the 5 most important, for example?).\n\nFirst the rules are not so hardly set, especially because they say \"at\nleast this amount\", so in case of doubt there is room for paying back\nmore to more people than initially planned.\n\nAnd anyway in the \"case-by-case as needed basis\", you still have the\nproblem to decide how much to pay back each one, in case people ask\nfor more than what is available. In this case it could be seen as very\nunfair that rules are defined or negociated on the fly. (Though I\nagree that in the past it went very well, but then I think it can only\nimprove things to have some rules defined at the beginning.)\n"},{"id":"257157","messageId":"CAP8UFD2qGBPiNaDmx1OELM45TZqSqKkHZkdVOqupWKKxPxbvOw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"54F986D6.5000607@drmicha.warpmail.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-03-06T12:55:02Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T12:55:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 11:52 AM, Michael J Gruber\n wrote:\n> Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 05.03.2015 23:24:\n>> Christian Couder writes:\n>>\n>>>\n>>> I'd like the Git project to set up a more organized way to pay back\n>>> the travel costs and the conference fee to the developers who come.\n>>> For example the Git project could say that it will at least pay back:\n>>>\n>>> - all the travel costs to the 5 most important Git developers who come and ask,\n>>> - half the travel costs to the 5 next most important Git developers\n>>> who come and ask,\n>>> - all the conference fee to the 15 most important Git developers who\n>>> come and ask,\n>>>\n>>> I think it could help developers decide to come, and it looks like\n>>> enough funding could be available, thanks to GitHub and the GSoC\n>>> money. What do you think?\n>>\n>> I personally perfer things to be kept informal---it would keep\n>> things simpler for everybody. You do not have to wonder what you\n>> should do when you think you are among the five most important\n>> people and you also know your employer will pay for the conference\n>> if you asked, for example.\n>>\n>> It feels to me that the suggestion Peff gave in his announce to ask\n>> privately for case-by-case arrangement strikes the balance much\n>> better.\n>>\n>>> Apart from that it's also possible to find ways to accommodate some\n>>> developers for free, if they don't mind crashing in someone's spare\n>>> room.\n>>>\n>>> So please don't hesitate to ask if you would like to come.\n>>\n>> These five lines, by not explicitly saying something like \"the first\n>> 2 people who ask can crash in Christian's spare bedroom\", is doing\n>> exactly the same thing as Peff did by saying \"please talk to me\n>> off-list\", it seems to me at least. Both keep things informal and\n>> simple, and both arrange things on case-by-case basis as needed.\n>>\n>> And I think that is better than setting a seemingly hard rules\n>> upfront, and causing more problems unnecessarily (e.g. who decides\n>> who are the 5 most important, for example?).\n>\n> Oh yes, that would be an interesting metric to define...\n>\n> OTOH I can see where Christian's question is coming from:\n> Who is even supposed to ask for support? Not just as in \"who is a\n> developer\", but also \"what are finance hardships\":\n>\n> At scientific conferences which I'm going to, there is often \"support\n> for those who need it\", and that typically means participants from \"less\n> fortunate countries\" (to avoid the usual world-counting term). Everyone\n> else is expected to be covered by their academic employer - and if not,\n> it's not even okay to ask the organisers. I guess that's what some of us\n> are having in mind.\n\nI had more in mind the people who mentored GSoC students (and this way\nhelped the Git project get some money) and the 200 or so developers\nwho contributed between 10 and 50 patches, though I agree it could\nalso be useful for others too. As far as I know very few people have\nasked for funding and it would be sad that people don't come because\nthey think they would not be payed back the costs when in fact they\nwould.\n\n> That still leaves the question:\n> Is there any space left in Christian's spare bedroom? :)\n\nYes, no one as asked yet, so I shoud be able to accommodate you if you want :-)\n\nSee you soon,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"257168","messageId":"20150306155758.GA18804@peff.net","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"54F986D6.5000607@drmicha.warpmail.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2015-03-06T15:57:59Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T15:57:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 11:52:06AM +0100, Michael J Gruber wrote:\n\n> OTOH I can see where Christian's question is coming from:\n> Who is even supposed to ask for support? Not just as in \"who is a\n> developer\", but also \"what are finance hardships\":\n\nIn my mind, the minimum line for hardship is basically \"you would be\npaying out of pocket\". Many of us can get our employers to send us to\nconferences, but I imagine there are many people who cannot (or do not\nwant to ask their employers).\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"257169","messageId":"20150306160257.GB18804@peff.net","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD2akA-ci8wXiE2bD0MpPa5v4_8bbc_yWEec0QaV31GzUQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2015-03-06T16:02:58Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T16:02:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 01:06:15PM +0100, Christian Couder wrote:\n\n> And anyway in the \"case-by-case as needed basis\", you still have the\n> problem to decide how much to pay back each one, in case people ask\n> for more than what is available. In this case it could be seen as very\n> unfair that rules are defined or negociated on the fly. (Though I\n> agree that in the past it went very well, but then I think it can only\n> improve things to have some rules defined at the beginning.)\n\nI agree it would be nice to have some well-defined rules so that\neverything is fair. But I do not know what those rules should be.\n\nYou have said things like \"5 most important\" in your email, but I do not\nsee any metric for defining that. Is it \"git shortlog\"? I am not sure\nthat is the best metric (try generating your own list and comparing it\nwith shortlog). Also, is it \"shortlog\" over all time, or \"shortlog\n--since=1.year.ago\", or some other time period.\n\nI had hoped by inviting people to express their need, that the\ninvitation would be equally open to everyone, and we could then get an\nidea of the scope of need.\n\nBy the way, nobody has contacted me asking for travel money at this\npoint.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"257177","messageId":"CAPc5daVo5tDpx2ybt7eMXgrMfGCh+pu5HDc=EpM9XqGLyyih7Q@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD2qGBPiNaDmx1OELM45TZqSqKkHZkdVOqupWKKxPxbvOw@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2015-03-06T17:03:28Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T17:03:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Mar 6, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Christian Couder\n wrote:\n>\n> I had more in mind the people who mentored GSoC students (and this way\n> helped the Git project get some money)...\n\nJust on this part, because I want to avoid giving a wrong impression\nto discourage\npotential mentors to participate and help GSoC.\n\nThe Git project does not require mentors to donate their mentorship\nstipend to the\nproject. IIRC The pool started because the stipend was a small amount of money\n($500 or so) that still counted as income to whoever is getting, and\nall mentors found\nit not worth their time having to deal with the hassle individually.\nThat is how our\nassociation with Software Freedom Conservancy started: have a legal entity hold\nsuch money as a non-profit.\n\nIf a mentor wants to keep his mentorship stipend, the Git project (the\nlegal entity)\nis perfectly OK with that.\n\nOf course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for money but out\nof love of our software and our community, but the above sounded as if you are\nsaying that the past mentors were robbed by the project and are\nentitled to crawl\ntheir money back. I just wanted to make sure that mentors will not be\nrobbed (and\nthe past ones weren't robbed) against their will.\n"},{"id":"257180","messageId":"8761aeowff.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAPc5daVo5tDpx2ybt7eMXgrMfGCh+pu5HDc=EpM9XqGLyyih7Q@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Bashing freelancers (was: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris)","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2015-03-06T17:41:40Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T17:41:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano writes:\n\n> Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for\n> money but out of love of our software and our community,\n\nAt some point of time I think it may be worth reevaluating the toxic\natmosphere against freelancers doing Git development.\n\nThere is nothing wrong with not having a fixed employment paying the\nrent. And there is nothing to be gained by going out of one's way\nvilifying those who cannot afford to work for free.\n\nGood work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\nto work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\nwork atmosphere.\n\nI still have patches sitting in my repository that I could not bring\nmyself to finish for contribution after the shameful treatment of my\nmonths of git-blame work where I was credited in passing with a wrong\nname in one \"What's cooking\", and after I pointed out that not even my\nname was correct, removed altogether. All that in connection with\npublic shaming that I wanted to point out to end users that this work\nrequired financing if it were to continue.\n\n-- \nDavid Kastrup\n"},{"id":"257181","messageId":"xmqq1tl210g1.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"8761aeowff.fsf_-_@fencepost.gnu.org","subject":"Re: Bashing freelancers","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2015-03-06T17:48:46Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T17:48:46Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"David Kastrup writes:\n\n> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\n> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\n> work atmosphere.\n\nYes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.\n"},{"id":"257195","messageId":"871tl1q25i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"xmqq1tl210g1.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: Bashing freelancers","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2015-03-06T20:52:41Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T20:52:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano writes:\n\n> David Kastrup writes:\n>\n>> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\n>> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\n>> work atmosphere.\n>\n> Yes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.\n\n\"Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for\nmoney but out of love of our software and our community,\"\n\nHuh.\n\n-- \nDavid Kastrup\n"},{"id":"257203","messageId":"xmqq8uf9ye4e.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"871tl1q25i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org","subject":"Re: Bashing freelancers","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2015-03-06T22:06:57Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T22:06:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"David Kastrup writes:\n\n> Junio C Hamano writes:\n>\n>> David Kastrup writes:\n>>\n>>> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\n>>> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\n>>> work atmosphere.\n>>\n>> Yes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.\n>\n> \"Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for\n> money but out of love of our software and our community,\"\n>\n> Huh.\n\nI did not intend any moral judgement in that statement, but after\nre-reading it, I would say that \"not for money\" would have been\nbetter phrased as \"not only for money\".\n\nLet me clarify.\n\nThere _could_ be a mentor who hates Git the software and Git the\ncommunity, who wants to mentor students only for the mentorship\nstipend. I do not want to see such mentors. I would imagine that\nsuch a person surely can find something else that is more enjoyable\nand do the mentoring there for money, if competent enough to mentor\nothers. And that would be good for everybody.\n"},{"id":"257205","messageId":"87sidhoiy4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"xmqq8uf9ye4e.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: Bashing freelancers","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2015-03-06T22:32:51Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-06T22:32:51Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano writes:\n\n> David Kastrup writes:\n>\n>> Junio C Hamano writes:\n>>\n>>> David Kastrup writes:\n>>>\n>>>> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\n>>>> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\n>>>> work atmosphere.\n>>>\n>>> Yes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.\n>>\n>> \"Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for\n>> money but out of love of our software and our community,\"\n>>\n>> Huh.\n>\n> I did not intend any moral judgement in that statement, but after\n> re-reading it, I would say that \"not for money\" would have been\n> better phrased as \"not only for money\".\n>\n> Let me clarify.\n>\n> There _could_ be a mentor who hates Git the software and Git the\n> community, who wants to mentor students only for the mentorship\n> stipend.\n\nUh, mentors don't rise from beneath the Earth. They are project\nmembers. Do you want to suggest that you suspect those contributors to\nhave worked on Git, which they hate with a vengeance, only so that they\ncould cash in on GSoC? You know the kind of sum we are talking about\nhere, right? Pocketing that makes sense only if you feel _indifferent_\nabout anything but money and are not planning on investing significant\namount of work. It's too little to do something you actually hate.\n\n> I do not want to see such mentors. I would imagine that such a person\n> surely can find something else that is more enjoyable and do the\n> mentoring there for money, if competent enough to mentor others. And\n> that would be good for everybody.\n\nI think Google would prefer a mentor who takes the money and does the\njob to someone who hands the money on to some more generic Git account\nout of love for the project and community and does not find the time for\nactually mentoring his student, but feels sort of ok about it because he\ndid not in the end take the money.\n\nSomeone who hates Git will at least have a solid idea about where Git is\nmost in need of improvement...\n\nNo, I'm not volunteering. I am merely sick of the income-bashing and\nconsider it not doing a useful job for Git or other free software.\nParticularly not in connection with a program like Google Summer of Code\nwhich is _designed_ to let money make a difference.\n\n-- \nDavid Kastrup\n"},{"id":"293736","messageId":"87fv9hni43.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"xmqq8uf9ye4e.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com","subject":"Re: Bashing freelancers","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2015-03-07T11:48:28Z","receivedAt":"2015-03-07T11:48:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano writes:\n\n> David Kastrup writes:\n>\n>> Junio C Hamano writes:\n>>\n>>> David Kastrup writes:\n>>>\n>>>> Good work is worth good money. Suggesting that people who are not able\n>>>> to work for free are morally inferior is not conducive for a cooperative\n>>>> work atmosphere.\n>>>\n>>> Yes, but I do not think anybody did any such thing.\n>>\n>> \"Of course, I am hoping that all the mentors are doing GSoC not for\n>> money but out of love of our software and our community,\"\n>>\n>> Huh.\n>\n> I did not intend any moral judgement in that statement, but after\n> re-reading it, I would say that \"not for money\" would have been\n> better phrased as \"not only for money\".\n\nShrug. \"love of our software and our community\" was not sufficient in\nthe thread started at\n to\nmake anybody do a one-character change spelled out explicitly even after\nthe user, presumably a \"community\" member, begged again. Presumably a\ncase of \"Somebody else's problem\".\n\nThe reality is that developers work mostly for their own motivations,\nwhat Linus Torvalds describes as \"scratching your own itch\". And not\neverybody is in the situation where he is able to scratch his own itch.\n\nSometimes there are good scratchers whose main itch is that everybody is\nof the opinion they are so excellent at scratching people's itches that\nthey have the moral obligation to not do anything else.\n\nLike eating. Or sleeping. Or having a life.\n\nThe non-glorious part of maintaining a flea circus where you can say\n\"jump\" and marvel at inhuman feats of strength is feeding time. You\ncan't just hope to shake down some passing dog whenever it is\nperformance time: even if that works, some of your actors may be too\nstarved to perform well.\n\nWell, a flea circus is probably a bad analogy when talking about\nscratching one's own itches. But it's easy to state that one wants\npeople to work for love when oneself is getting paid for it.\n\n-- \n"},{"id":"259038","messageId":"CAEcj5uV7XpXZTEyDrubXfWoN5uYn5BJbGaMbrWrmXbmgiCOHqg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"20150224220923.GA23344@peff.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen","fromEmail":"tfnico@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-04-05T22:48:22Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-05T22:48:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tfnico@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/628cf28a25ca4c596c7284562100f70f0ef908bcbfadd4da1eb3d48c23658d01?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n> details have been posted at:\n>\n> http://git-merge.com/\n>\n> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>\n> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n> you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n> are.\n>\n> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n> beforehand.\n>\n> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>\n> If you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\n> answers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n>\n\nI'll be arriving around 11 am on the 8th, if anyone wants to record\nsomething for the GitMinutes podcast [1]. Send me an email directly,\nor just walk up to me at the conference and say hi! I'll hopefully be\nhanging around the contributor's summit area with some microphones,\nbut I've been unable to get any feedback from GitHub about whether\nthis is OK, so.. I guess we'll just wing it when I get there.\n\n[1] http://www.gitminutes.com/\n"},{"id":"259093","messageId":"CAP8UFD2rtxL29TqkxFXyGwW4g96TgFFLDJhhyYuAi850p64OjQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAEcj5uV7XpXZTEyDrubXfWoN5uYn5BJbGaMbrWrmXbmgiCOHqg@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"christian.couder@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-04-06T19:08:54Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-06T19:08:54Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen\n wrote:\n> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>> details have been posted at:\n>>\n>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>\n>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>\n>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>> you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n>> are.\n>>\n>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n>> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n>> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n>> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n>> beforehand.\n>>\n>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>>\n>> If you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\n>> answers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n>>\n>\n> I'll be arriving around 11 am on the 8th, if anyone wants to record\n> something for the GitMinutes podcast [1]. Send me an email directly,\n> or just walk up to me at the conference and say hi! I'll hopefully be\n> hanging around the contributor's summit area with some microphones,\n> but I've been unable to get any feedback from GitHub about whether\n> this is OK, so.. I guess we'll just wing it when I get there.\n>\n> [1] http://www.gitminutes.com/\n\nBy the way as far as I know nothing has been planned for the\nContributors Summit on the 8th.\nMaybe we could list some topics that we could discuss.\n\nI will probably write very short articles about some of the\ndiscussions for the next Git Rev News edition, but I would be happy if\nother people would like to contribute some. Please tell me and Thomas\nif you are interested.\n\nAlso I am not sure if something is planned for the evening of the 8th\nor not. If nothing is planned maybe we could discuss having dinner\ntogether or something.\n\nAnd if someone needs help or arrives in Paris early or leaves late and\nis interested in meeting up, feel free to contact me.\n\nBest,\nChristian.\n"},{"id":"259094","messageId":"CAGZ79kat=W2mod_c8u2ojUG08faw8KU5N5BDeBLvJ4iOUv_=bQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD2rtxL29TqkxFXyGwW4g96TgFFLDJhhyYuAi850p64OjQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Stefan Beller","fromEmail":"sbeller@google.com","sentAt":"2015-04-06T20:28:18Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-06T20:28:18Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"stefanbeller@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/455868?v=4"},"body":"I am interested in discussing the git pack protocol v2.\n(I have been thinking about that for a while now,\nthough not sharing a lot on the mailing list, so feedback is\nsomewhat limited. :( )\n\n\nOn Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Christian Couder\n wrote:\n> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen\n> wrote:\n>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>>> details have been posted at:\n>>>\n>>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>>\n>>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>>\n>>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>>> you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n>>> are.\n>>>\n>>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>>> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n>>> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n>>> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n>>> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n>>> beforehand.\n>>>\n>>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>>>\n>>> If you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\n>>> answers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n>>>\n>>\n>> I'll be arriving around 11 am on the 8th, if anyone wants to record\n>> something for the GitMinutes podcast [1]. Send me an email directly,\n>> or just walk up to me at the conference and say hi! I'll hopefully be\n>> hanging around the contributor's summit area with some microphones,\n>> but I've been unable to get any feedback from GitHub about whether\n>> this is OK, so.. I guess we'll just wing it when I get there.\n>>\n>> [1] http://www.gitminutes.com/\n>\n> By the way as far as I know nothing has been planned for the\n> Contributors Summit on the 8th.\n> Maybe we could list some topics that we could discuss.\n>\n> I will probably write very short articles about some of the\n> discussions for the next Git Rev News edition, but I would be happy if\n> other people would like to contribute some. Please tell me and Thomas\n> if you are interested.\n>\n> Also I am not sure if something is planned for the evening of the 8th\n> or not. If nothing is planned maybe we could discuss having dinner\n> together or something.\n>\n> And if someone needs help or arrives in Paris early or leaves late and\n> is interested in meeting up, feel free to contact me.\n>\n> Best,\n> Christian.\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n"},{"id":"259130","messageId":"CACBZZX5mZgHxicZGTGsgAxBCZuRymrariAeHK0vf5+Qs1EzA2A@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAGZ79kat=W2mod_c8u2ojUG08faw8KU5N5BDeBLvJ4iOUv_=bQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2015-04-07T13:55:55Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-07T13:55:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Stefan Beller wrote:\n> I am interested in discussing the git pack protocol v2.\n> (I have been thinking about that for a while now,\n> though not sharing a lot on the mailing list, so feedback is\n> somewhat limited. :( )\n\nI'm keen to talk about the new protocol and other scaling issues I\nraised in the recent \"Git Scaling: What factors most affect Git\nperformance for a large repo?\" thread. Although from my testing the\nmain problems in performance are the local pack-refs file &\nreachability checks, mostly not the protocol itself.\n\nAt the risk of using this list + the venue for soliciting I also want\nto mention that my employer is willing to pay someone on a contract\nbasis to work on Git scalability issues, given the right person etc.\netc. So if someone's at the conference is interested in that I'd be\nkeen to talk to you.\n\n> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Christian Couder\n> wrote:\n>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Thomas Ferris Nicolaisen\n>> wrote:\n>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Jeff King wrote:\n>>>> I wanted to make one more announcement about this, since a few more\n>>>> details have been posted at:\n>>>>\n>>>> http://git-merge.com/\n>>>>\n>>>> since my last announcement. Specifically, I wanted to call attention to\n>>>> the contributor's summit on the 8th. Basically, there will be a space\n>>>> that can hold up to 50 people, it's open only to git (and JGit and\n>>>> libgit2) devs, and there isn't a planned agenda. So I want to:\n>>>>\n>>>> 1. Encourage developers to come. You might meet some folks in person\n>>>> you've worked with online. And you can see how beautiful we all\n>>>> are.\n>>>>\n>>>> 2. Get people thinking about what they would like to talk about. In\n>>>> past GitTogethers, it's been a mix of people with prepared things\n>>>> to talk about, group discussions of areas, and general kibitzing.\n>>>> We can be spontaneous on the day of the event, but if you have a\n>>>> topic you want to bring up, you may want to give it some thought\n>>>> beforehand.\n>>>>\n>>>> If you are a git dev and want to come, please RSVP to Chris Kelly\n>>>> who is organizing the event. If you would like\n>>>> to come, but finances make it hard (either for travel, or for the\n>>>> conference fee), please talk to me off-list, and we may be able to help.\n>>>>\n>>>> If you have questions, please feel free to ask me, and I'll try to get\n>>>> answers from the GitHub folks who are organizing the event.\n>>>>\n>>>\n>>> I'll be arriving around 11 am on the 8th, if anyone wants to record\n>>> something for the GitMinutes podcast [1]. Send me an email directly,\n>>> or just walk up to me at the conference and say hi! I'll hopefully be\n>>> hanging around the contributor's summit area with some microphones,\n>>> but I've been unable to get any feedback from GitHub about whether\n>>> this is OK, so.. I guess we'll just wing it when I get there.\n>>>\n>>> [1] http://www.gitminutes.com/\n>>\n>> By the way as far as I know nothing has been planned for the\n>> Contributors Summit on the 8th.\n>> Maybe we could list some topics that we could discuss.\n>>\n>> I will probably write very short articles about some of the\n>> discussions for the next Git Rev News edition, but I would be happy if\n>> other people would like to contribute some. Please tell me and Thomas\n>> if you are interested.\n>>\n>> Also I am not sure if something is planned for the evening of the 8th\n>> or not. If nothing is planned maybe we could discuss having dinner\n>> together or something.\n>>\n>> And if someone needs help or arrives in Paris early or leaves late and\n>> is interested in meeting up, feel free to contact me.\n>>\n>> Best,\n>> Christian.\n>> --\n>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n>> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n"},{"id":"259139","messageId":"CAGZ79kYLXk8bX2inGANzB_2rkj_FWN_q=b6AVh_jHssk+PHOdA@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CACBZZX5mZgHxicZGTGsgAxBCZuRymrariAeHK0vf5+Qs1EzA2A@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Stefan Beller","fromEmail":"sbeller@google.com","sentAt":"2015-04-07T15:53:47Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-07T15:53:47Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"stefanbeller@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/455868?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason\n wrote:\n> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Stefan Beller wrote:\n>> I am interested in discussing the git pack protocol v2.\n>> (I have been thinking about that for a while now,\n>> though not sharing a lot on the mailing list, so feedback is\n>> somewhat limited. :( )\n>\n> I'm keen to talk about the new protocol and other scaling issues I\n> raised in the recent \"Git Scaling: What factors most affect Git\n> performance for a large repo?\" thread. Although from my testing the\n> main problems in performance are the local pack-refs file &\n> reachability checks, mostly not the protocol itself.\n\nYes, the new protocol might not be the most pressing part for scaling up\nthe repository, but I feel like it's the most challenging and fun part for me\nwhen talking about scaling issues. ;)\ne.g. if you fetch git.git (and you're up to date!), the git protocol\nalready eats\n130kB of bandwidth, so in case you're on your mobile expensive data plan\nyou'll hate the inefficiency, it was measured with\n git ls-remote git://github.com/gitster/git |wc -c\n 132048\nor as a gerrit developer:\n git ls-remote https://gerrit.googlesource.com/gerrit |wc -c\n 2108657\n2MB, That's crazy!\n\n>\n> At the risk of using this list + the venue for soliciting I also want\n> to mention that my employer is willing to pay someone on a contract\n> basis to work on Git scalability issues, given the right person etc.\n> etc. So if someone's at the conference is interested in that I'd be\n> keen to talk to you.\n\nI'm fine with soliciting here on the list for a good cause.\n(I was touring Paris yesterday and was near the Eiffel tower and within 15\nminutes, there were 4 tries of unsolicited advertising/begging/\n[tourist->money conversion scheme])\n"},{"id":"259145","messageId":"20150407185151.GA2553@peff.net","threadId":"38646","inReplyTo":"CAP8UFD2rtxL29TqkxFXyGwW4g96TgFFLDJhhyYuAi850p64OjQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Git Merge Contributors Summit, April 8th, Paris","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2015-04-07T18:51:52Z","receivedAt":"2015-04-07T18:51:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 09:08:54PM +0200, Christian Couder wrote:\n\n> By the way as far as I know nothing has been planned for the\n> Contributors Summit on the 8th.\n\nThe agenda is open. I had figured we would collectively organize the\nschedule in the morning (unconference-style). I'd certainly encourage\npeople to bring prepared talks or ideas for discussions if they would\nlike.\n\n> Also I am not sure if something is planned for the evening of the 8th\n> or not. If nothing is planned maybe we could discuss having dinner\n> together or something.\n\nI don't know of anything planned. Let's discuss it at the event\ntomorrow.\n\n-Peff\n"}]}