{"thread":{"id":"32776","subject":"Files excluded but not ignored","startedAt":"2013-01-30T15:34:42Z","lastAt":"2013-02-01T23:54:58Z","messageCount":3,"participants":["Jason Wenger","Junio C Hamano","Ben Aveling"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"208269","messageId":"loom.20130130T161911-66@post.gmane.org","threadId":"32776","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Files excluded but not ignored","fromName":"Jason Wenger","fromEmail":"jcwenger@gmail.com","sentAt":"2013-01-30T15:34:42Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-30T15:34:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jcwenger@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"I prefer to not add core.* files to my ignore listings because I find it helpful \nto see them in git status -- It helps me notice and clean them up periodically.  \nNot having them ignored is also good ,because it allows git clean to care of \ncore.*  files.\n\nThe problem is that git add -A, git stash -u, etc, remain interested in the core \nfiles.\n\nTrying to start up discussion of whether there would be merit to a \"half-\nignored\" state -- Files which are excluded from tracking, but which still \nshow in git status, and which are removed by git clean.\n\nNot trying to propose yet how .git/exclude or .gitignore would be formatted \nor anything like that.  Just looking for opinions on whether such a state \nwould be considered by the community as a good thing and merit the added \ncomplexity in the code.\n"},{"id":"208273","messageId":"7v38ximyr2.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"32776","inReplyTo":"loom.20130130T161911-66@post.gmane.org","subject":"Re: Files excluded but not ignored","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2013-01-30T16:17:21Z","receivedAt":"2013-01-30T16:17:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Jason Wenger <jcwenger@gmail.com> writes:\n\n> I prefer to not add core.* files to my ignore listings because I find it helpful \n> to see them in git status -- It helps me notice and clean them up periodically.  \n> Not having them ignored is also good ,because it allows git clean to care of \n> core.*  files.\n>\n> The problem is that git add -A, git stash -u, etc, remain interested in the core \n> files.\n>\n> Trying to start up discussion of whether there would be merit to a \"half-\n> ignored\" state -- Files which are excluded from tracking, but which still \n> show in git status, and which are removed by git clean.\n>\n> Not trying to propose yet how .git/exclude or .gitignore would be formatted \n> or anything like that.  Just looking for opinions on whether such a state \n> would be considered by the community as a good thing and merit the added \n> complexity in the code.\n\nI see no merit for \"ignored and never to be tracked, but are still\nshown loudly in the untracked list\" myself.  Use cases for \"ignored\nand never to be tracked, but not expendable\" class were mentioned\noften in the past, though.\n"},{"id":"208514","messageId":"510C55D2.20103@optusnet.com.au","threadId":"32776","inReplyTo":"7v38ximyr2.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: Files excluded but not ignored","fromName":"Ben Aveling","fromEmail":"bena.001@optusnet.com.au","sentAt":"2013-02-01T23:54:58Z","receivedAt":"2013-02-01T23:54:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bena.001@optusnet.com.au","avatar":null},"body":"On 31/01/2013 3:17 AM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Jason Wenger <jcwenger@gmail.com> writes:\n>\n>> Trying to start up discussion of whether there would be merit to a \"half-\n>> ignored\" state -- Files which are excluded from tracking, but which still\n>> show in git status, and which are removed by git clean.\n> I see no merit for \"ignored and never to be tracked, but are still\n> shown loudly in the untracked list\" myself.  Use cases for \"ignored\n> and never to be tracked, but not expendable\" class were mentioned\n> often in the past, though.\n\nA new state seems over the top.\n\nJason, would adding a parameter to \"git status\" telling it to ignore all \n.gitignores give you what you need?\n\nRegards, Ben\n"}]}