{"thread":{"id":"31667","subject":"The ciabot hook code in contrib/ is obsolete - delete it","startedAt":"2012-09-28T02:40:45Z","lastAt":"2012-10-02T23:39:35Z","messageCount":3,"participants":["Eric S. Raymond","Junio C Hamano"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"200065","messageId":"20120928024045.E0D6F42F19@snark.thyrsus.com","threadId":"31667","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"The ciabot hook code in contrib/ is obsolete - delete it","fromName":"Eric S. Raymond","fromEmail":"esr@thyrsus.com","sentAt":"2012-09-28T02:40:45Z","receivedAt":"2012-09-28T02:40:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"esr@thyrsus.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/727961?v=4"},"body":"The CIA notification server died about two days ago, done in by\na screwup at the cloud service hosting is VM. For various technical\nreasons there cannot and will not be any effort to revive it. If you want\nthe whole sordid tale, read \"CIA and the perils of overengineering\" at\n.\n\nAccordingly, the contrib/ciabot code is now obsolete and should be removed.\n\nI have written a replacement service. irker, with a different (and\nfundamentally simpler) design. Though I released irker just today, it\nalready has multiple deployments. A lot of hackers like their IRC\ncommit notifications and have instantly seized on this option to get\nsuch a service running again - this time as a distributed flock of\nlightweight notifier proxy daemons that cannot be taken out by any\nsingle-point failure. \n\nInterested persons may wish to monitor the freenode #cia channel,\nwhich is morphing into a discussion about coordinating irker\ndeployment and building various proxy/symbiote/statistics-gathering \nservices around it.\n\nI'm shipping a generic repo-hook script that supports both git and\nSubversion in the irker distribution, so there won't be any need\nfor git to carry a special hook. I remain grateful for your previous \ncooperation in supporting and distributing the ciabot code. \n-- \n\t\tEric S. Raymond\n\nYou need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a\nreputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating\nthe very phrases which our founding fathers used in the great struggle\nfor independence.\t-- Attributed to Charles Austin Beard (1874-1948)\n"},{"id":"200373","messageId":"7vr4pg5vn4.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"31667","inReplyTo":"20120928024045.E0D6F42F19@snark.thyrsus.com","subject":"Re: The ciabot hook code in contrib/ is obsolete - delete it","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2012-10-02T22:58:23Z","receivedAt":"2012-10-02T22:58:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"esr@thyrsus.com (Eric S. Raymond) writes:\n\n> The CIA notification server died about two days ago, done in by\n> a screwup at the cloud service hosting is VM. For various technical\n> reasons there cannot and will not be any effort to revive it. If you want\n> the whole sordid tale, read \"CIA and the perils of overengineering\" at\n> .\n>\n> Accordingly, the contrib/ciabot code is now obsolete and should be removed.\n>\n> I have written a replacement service. irker, with a different (and\n> fundamentally simpler) design. Though I released irker just today, it\n> already has multiple deployments. A lot of hackers like their IRC\n> commit notifications and have instantly seized on this option to get\n> such a service running again - this time as a distributed flock of\n> lightweight notifier proxy daemons that cannot be taken out by any\n> single-point failure. \n>\n> Interested persons may wish to monitor the freenode #cia channel,\n> which is morphing into a discussion about coordinating irker\n> deployment and building various proxy/symbiote/statistics-gathering \n> services around it.\n>\n> I'm shipping a generic repo-hook script that supports both git and\n> Subversion in the irker distribution, so there won't be any need\n> for git to carry a special hook. I remain grateful for your previous \n> cooperation in supporting and distributing the ciabot code. \n\nSeeing the above without a signed-off patch and then this on cia.vc\n\n We intend to have the CIA.VC Site running soon then bring the\n service back at a later date! We currently do not have an ETA for\n the Service but hope to have it functioning soon!\n\nI am not sure what the right course of action at this moment.\n"},{"id":"200375","messageId":"20121002233934.GA21819@thyrsus.com","threadId":"31667","inReplyTo":"7vr4pg5vn4.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: The ciabot hook code in contrib/ is obsolete - delete it","fromName":"Eric S. Raymond","fromEmail":"esr@thyrsus.com","sentAt":"2012-10-02T23:39:35Z","receivedAt":"2012-10-02T23:39:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"esr@thyrsus.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/727961?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano :\n> Seeing the above without a signed-off patch and then this on cia.vc\n> \n> We intend to have the CIA.VC Site running soon then bring the\n> service back at a later date! We currently do not have an ETA for\n> the Service but hope to have it functioning soon!\n> \n> I am not sure what the right course of action at this moment.\n\nThen leave things as they are and we'll await developments.\n\nYes, Ilkotech is expressing a hope to revive CIA. For various reasons\nboth technical and political I am near certain the effort will go\nnowhere. From #cia:\n\n[17:19]\tTalad\tHi\n[17:19]\tTalad\tthe CIA bot in our channel is gone\n[17:20]\tTalad\thow to restore it ?\n[17:20]\tshadowm\t/topic\n[17:20]\tshadowm\t(Old news at this point, really.)\n[17:21]\tTalad\twhat is the problem?\n[17:21]\tAI0867\tthe server was deleted\n[17:21]\tAI0867\tthe version running on it was never checked into version control, nor was it backed up\n[17:22]\tAI0867\tin short, CIA is *gone*\n[17:22]\tAI0867\tfor a replacement, see #irker or http://www.catb.org/~esr/irker/\n[17:25]\tThe_Tick\tBearPerson: do we know if there was a backup of the database holding all the configs?\n[17:26]\tBearPerson\tThere might be one on a hard drive somewhere in my apartment, but it'd be at least 2 years old at this point\n[17:26]\tBearPerson\thaven't gotten around to digging up that box yet\n[17:26]\tThe_Tick\tmight be worth pulling the emails out and shooting everyone an email explaining the situation\n[17:27]\tThe_Tick\tso they stop coming in here asking about it\n[17:30]\tTalad\t\"the server was deleted\" <- by the owner?\n[17:32]\tTalad\tmaybe CIA was discussed/agreed with freenode staff\n[17:32]\tTalad\tand they have a copy of it?\n[17:32]\tThe_Tick\tdoubt it\n[17:33]\tTalad\tI guess they are careful about widespread bots like CIA\n[17:33]\tshadowm\tNo, freenode had nothing to do with running CIA.vc.\n[17:34]\tshadowm\tAnd the server was deleted by the hosting company, while the current owners did not have a backup plan at all.\n[17:36]\tTalad\tI see\n[17:36]\tTalad\tok, thanks\n\nOn the other hand contrib/ciabot isn't taking up a lot of space in\nyour tree, either, so there's little harm in leaving it in place.\n-- \n\t\tEric S. Raymond\n"}]}