{"thread":{"id":"31201","subject":"Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","startedAt":"2012-08-07T19:24:58Z","lastAt":"2012-08-07T22:01:22Z","messageCount":6,"participants":["Drew Northup","John 'Warthog9' Hawley","Theodore Ts'o","Eugene Sajine","porpen@gmail.com"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"196615","messageId":"CAM9Z-nmEDTEN0Em-nY+y5g0kRMsNuy-pn8Lzr_mWSU7engj6JQ@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"Drew Northup","fromEmail":"n1xim.email@gmail.com","sentAt":"2012-08-07T19:24:58Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T19:24:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"n1xim.email@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"I am not 100% sure of the root cause of this, but I have gotten the\nfollowing error message back from vger via GMail at least twice now:\n\n\"Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:\n\n git@vger.kernel.org\n\n Technical details of permanent failure:\n Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the\nrecipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for\nfurther information about the cause of this error. The error that the\nother server returned was: 550 550 5.7.1 Content-Policy reject msg:\nThe message contains HTML subpart, therefore we consider it SPAM or\nOutlook Virus. TEXT/PLAIN is accepted.! BF:;\nS1755748Ab2HGTHS (state 17).\"\n\nI was replying to 20120806223113.GA16298@sigill.intra.peff.net\n(Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid crippled getpass function on Solaris).\nHopefully all of the direct replies went through, but the list denied\nit. Some other replies have worked just fine.\n\nBefore the usual raft of \"you configured your mail client incorrectly\"\nI would like to note that such things are not configurable in the\nAndroid GMail App. If this is an app issue I'll (attempt to) take it\nup with them (and expect zero results). (I am writing this from the\nwebmail interface in the hopes that it goes through.)\n\nAm I the ONLY ONE seeing this?\n\n-- \n-Drew Northup\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n\"As opposed to vegetable or mineral error?\"\n-John Pescatore, SANS NewsBites Vol. 12 Num. 59\n"},{"id":"196616","messageId":"50216D83.6080707@kernel.org","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":"CAM9Z-nmEDTEN0Em-nY+y5g0kRMsNuy-pn8Lzr_mWSU7engj6JQ@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"John 'Warthog9' Hawley","fromEmail":"warthog9@kernel.org","sentAt":"2012-08-07T19:33:23Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T19:33:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog9@kernel.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2334704?v=4"},"body":"It's pretty simple: you sent HTML mail to vger.kernel.org, and it\nexplicitly rejects all HTML e-mail. GMail, particularly from Android,\napparently doesn't have a way to bypass sending HTML mail (it's been a\nmuch maligned bug).\n\nBefore you ask, no I very much doubt vger will change it's policy with\nregards to HTML mail, and honestly it's a policy I fully support.\n\nYour only bet is to use a mail client that won't send HTML, K-9 or\nKaiten should work.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n\nOn 08/07/2012 01:24 PM, Drew Northup wrote:\n> I am not 100% sure of the root cause of this, but I have gotten the\n> following error message back from vger via GMail at least twice now:\n> \n> \"Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:\n> \n> git@vger.kernel.org\n> \n> Technical details of permanent failure:\n> Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the\n> recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for\n> further information about the cause of this error. The error that the\n> other server returned was: 550 550 5.7.1 Content-Policy reject msg:\n> The message contains HTML subpart, therefore we consider it SPAM or\n> Outlook Virus. TEXT/PLAIN is accepted.! BF:;\n> S1755748Ab2HGTHS (state 17).\"\n> \n> I was replying to 20120806223113.GA16298@sigill.intra.peff.net\n> (Subject: Re: [PATCH] Avoid crippled getpass function on Solaris).\n> Hopefully all of the direct replies went through, but the list denied\n> it. Some other replies have worked just fine.\n> \n> Before the usual raft of \"you configured your mail client incorrectly\"\n> I would like to note that such things are not configurable in the\n> Android GMail App. If this is an app issue I'll (attempt to) take it\n> up with them (and expect zero results). (I am writing this from the\n> webmail interface in the hopes that it goes through.)\n> \n> Am I the ONLY ONE seeing this?\n> \n"},{"id":"196622","messageId":"20120807205524.GA3953@thunk.org","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":"50216D83.6080707@kernel.org","subject":"Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"Theodore Ts'o","fromEmail":"tytso@mit.edu","sentAt":"2012-08-07T20:55:24Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T20:55:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tytso@mit.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/51416?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:33:23PM -0600, John 'Warthog9' Hawley wrote:\n> It's pretty simple: you sent HTML mail to vger.kernel.org, and it\n> explicitly rejects all HTML e-mail. GMail, particularly from Android,\n> apparently doesn't have a way to bypass sending HTML mail (it's been a\n> much maligned bug).\n\nYeah, sigh. Drew, I suggest that you star the following bug:\n\nhttp://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8712\n\n... and perhaps leave a comment in the bug report that you can't\ninteract with the git mailing list because of this limitation.\n\nI'm sure you know (since you indicated that you sent your e-mail via\nthe web interface of Gmail), that this is at least something you can\ncontrol in the desktop/web version of Gmail (just enable \"Plain text\"\nmode) --- but it would certainly be nice if users had the choice of\nwhether they wanted to participate on vger mailing lists using the\nAndroid application, versus the Web interface, or using Mutt or Pine\non a Linux box.\n\nRegards,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t- Ted\n"},{"id":"196623","messageId":"CAPZPVFZJkxK50eA+saMKLHAc=wCioTFF0PVw=Xhcrf3GpzPydA@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":"20120807205524.GA3953@thunk.org","subject":"Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"Eugene Sajine","fromEmail":"euguess@gmail.com","sentAt":"2012-08-07T21:25:02Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T21:25:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"euguess@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Theodore Ts'o wrote:\n> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 01:33:23PM -0600, John 'Warthog9' Hawley wrote:\n>> It's pretty simple: you sent HTML mail to vger.kernel.org, and it\n>> explicitly rejects all HTML e-mail. GMail, particularly from Android,\n>> apparently doesn't have a way to bypass sending HTML mail (it's been a\n>> much maligned bug).\n>\n> Yeah, sigh. Drew, I suggest that you star the following bug:\n>\n> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8712\n>\n> ... and perhaps leave a comment in the bug report that you can't\n> interact with the git mailing list because of this limitation.\n>\n> I'm sure you know (since you indicated that you sent your e-mail via\n> the web interface of Gmail), that this is at least something you can\n> control in the desktop/web version of Gmail (just enable \"Plain text\"\n> mode) --- but it would certainly be nice if users had the choice of\n> whether they wanted to participate on vger mailing lists using the\n> Android application, versus the Web interface, or using Mutt or Pine\n> on a Linux box.\n>\n> Regards,\n>\n> - Ted\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n\nThere were several discussions about that on the list and\nunfortunately list moderators didn't pay enough attention to it.\nAndroid Gmail sends totally valid multipart message that has HTML and\nplain-text part.\nList being unable to process those correctly and cut off HTML part is\na limitation.\nI personally feel that i could and would be more active on the list if\nnot for this limitation.\n\n\nDon't want to accept HTML messages - fine. But don't tell me which\nprogram to use for my email, especially when I'm sending totally valid\nmessage, so take my plain text message part and use it.\n\n\nThanks,\nEugene\n"},{"id":"196625","messageId":"20120807213938.GC3953@thunk.org","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":"CAPZPVFZJkxK50eA+saMKLHAc=wCioTFF0PVw=Xhcrf3GpzPydA@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"Theodore Ts'o","fromEmail":"tytso@mit.edu","sentAt":"2012-08-07T21:39:38Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T21:39:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tytso@mit.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/51416?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:25:02PM -0400, Eugene Sajine wrote:\n> \n> Don't want to accept HTML messages - fine. But don't tell me which\n> program to use for my email, especially when I'm sending totally valid\n> message, so take my plain text message part and use it.\n> \n\nThe problem is that HTML messages is a really good signal for SPAM and\nexploits sent by spambots trying to break into Windows machines. So\nfrom the perspective of keeping the vger lists spam-free, it works\nvery well. Also, from a practical point of view, most of the mailers\nwhich send HTML also tend to mangle patches, and since most of the\nvger lists are very developer centric, having users use MUA's that\nmangle patches is highly unfortunate.\n\nSo having a hard requirement has been often useful for developers who,\nsay, are unfortunate enough to work at a company that mandates the use\nof Lotus Notes, since it's a nice way to force the company to set up\nan alternate IMAP/SMTP infrastructure for developers who need to\ninteract with the Linux Kernel community. Speaking as someone who\nused to work at IBM's Linux Technology Center, let me assure you there\nare some unappreciated, but still very valid, side effects of the\ncurrent policies in force on vger.\n\nThere are other solutions to the spam problem, of course --- such as\ndiverting all of vger's mail through Postini, which is uses the same\nanti-spam technology that GMail uses, and which is pretty good. (Far\nbetter than Symantec's anti-virus filtering service, which is what\nmit.edu uses, so I've had experience with both.)\n\nBut the tin foil hat community would probably be all suspicious about\nrouting all of vger through Google's servers, even though pretty much\nall of the vger mailing lists are archived on web sites such as\nGmane.... and truth to tell, the current solution which VGER has for\nfiltering spam works pretty well, all things considered. It's rather\nunfortunate that Android-only GMail users are an unintended casualty.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t- Ted\n"},{"id":"196629","messageId":"CAANzHtQDEcGpKNT6vBcnhpZG89JXMNH28_-iv9OtB1YF9Dc4jw@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"31201","inReplyTo":"20120807213938.GC3953@thunk.org","subject":"Re: Android Replies to Git List getting rejected","fromName":"","fromEmail":"porpen@gmail.com","sentAt":"2012-08-07T22:01:22Z","receivedAt":"2012-08-07T22:01:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"porpen@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 7 August 2012 17:39, Theodore Ts'o wrote:\n> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 05:25:02PM -0400, Eugene Sajine wrote:\n>> \n>> Don't want to accept HTML messages - fine. But don't tell me which\n>> program to use for my email, especially when I'm sending totally valid\n\nPerhaps this one:\nhttps://code.google.com/p/k9mail/\nwhich can send messages with a mere\n\n> User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android\n> MIME-Version: 1.0\n> Content-Type: text/plain;\n> charset=UTF-8\n> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nYou'll need to turn on imap access in your gmail account.\n\nCheers!\n-p orpen\n\n(Yes, I know, I didn't send this from my android gadget.)\n"}]}