{"thread":{"id":"30570","subject":"Re: [PATCH] l10n: de.po: translate 265 new messages","startedAt":"2012-05-20T20:56:10Z","lastAt":"2012-05-21T19:44:18Z","messageCount":4,"participants":["Christian Stimming","Jiang Xin","Ralf Thielow"],"isPatch":true,"patchVersion":1,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"191770","messageId":"1825828.hnjW9vybBO@cs-pc","threadId":"30570","inReplyTo":"1337533755-29399-1-git-send-email-ralf.thielow@googlemail.com","subject":"Re: [PATCH] l10n: de.po: translate 265 new messages","fromName":"Christian Stimming","fromEmail":"stimming@tuhh.de","sentAt":"2012-05-20T20:56:10Z","receivedAt":"2012-05-20T20:56:10Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"stimming@tuhh.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/227778?v=4"},"body":"Dear Ralf,\n\nyour changes are very good. However, I just noticed one specific stylistic \nissue with the existing German translation, which you've continued in the very \nsame way:\n\nAm Sonntag, 20. Mai 2012, 19:09:15 schrieb Ralf Thielow:\n> +#: help.c:214\n> +msgid \"git commands available from elsewhere on your $PATH\"\n> +msgstr \"Vorhandene Git-Kommandos irgendwo in deinem $PATH\"\n(and several more following)\n\nThe translation (both in the existing strings and in your newly added ones) \naddresses the user as \"du\" instead of \"Sie\" (for the non-German-speaking: \"du\" \nis the informal addressing, \"Sie\" is the formal addressing). However, in \nGerman software there are two main rules on this: 1. Don't address the user \ndirectly. Rather prefer passive forms over directly addressing the person. I \nknow English software is much more permissive of this one. Hence, occasionally \nthe German translator should take the freedom to change the wording so that \nthe addressing of the user is replaced in the translation by some passive \nwording without the addressing of the user. 2. If the addressing of the user \nis unavoidable, the text should use \"Sie\" instead of \"du\". Addressing the user \nas \"du\" should be constrained to audiences which for sure always address each \nother as \"du\", such as certain educational settings and/or games and such (and \nmaybe in the Ikea-Katalog, but even there they switched from Du to Sie and \nback again several times). Please try to avoid using \"du\" in developer tools' \nuser-visible strings. Thanks a lot!\n\nRegards,\n\nChristian\n"},{"id":"191775","messageId":"CANYiYbFRu1od=jiio1VgGGZDYpg1A_yJ+oKnnigvZExdMWo4Lg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"30570","inReplyTo":"1337533755-29399-1-git-send-email-ralf.thielow@googlemail.com","subject":"Re: [PATCH] l10n: de.po: translate 265 new messages","fromName":"Jiang Xin","fromEmail":"worldhello.net@gmail.com","sentAt":"2012-05-21T01:21:49Z","receivedAt":"2012-05-21T01:21:49Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"worldhello.net@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/183860?v=4"},"body":"Hi Ralf,\n\nCongratulations. You and Germany l10n team have done great work in\nthis around of l10n. As for Chinese, this work may be completed in two\nweeks when I have much time.\n\nBefore you send me a pull request, I sync the git-po repository with upstream\nand update the 'git.pot' again. There are 41 new l10n messages, and\nyou can make another commit for it.\n\nDate: Mon, 21 May 2012 09:00:39 +0800\nSubject: [PATCH] l10n: Update git.pot (41 new messages)\n\nGenerate po/git.pot from v1.7.10.2-548-g9de96:\n\n * 41 new l10n messages at lines:\n\n 332, 337, 344, 349, 967, 1288, 1292, 1296, 1300, 1304, 1308, 1312,\n 1316, 1320, 1324, 1328, 1332, 1336, 1340, 1344, 1348, 1352, 1356,\n 1360, 1364, 1368, 1372, 1376, 1380, 1384, 1388, 1392, 1396, 4465,\n 4469, 4473, 4477, 4481, 4485, 4489, 4493.\n\nSigned-off-by: Jiang Xin \n---\n po/git.pot | 171 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-\n 1 file changed, 170 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)\n\n\n2012/5/21 Ralf Thielow :\n> Signed-off-by: Ralf Thielow \n> ---\n>  po/de.po | 2296 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------\n>  1 Datei geändert, 1855 Zeilen hinzugefügt(+), 441 Zeilen entfernt(-)\n>\n\n\n\n-- \nJiang Xin\n"},{"id":"191820","messageId":"CAN0XMOKsKRwsrHv=FNKtzydf8_sW6nM7bw2HJu6wT4reR=jujg@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"30570","inReplyTo":"1825828.hnjW9vybBO@cs-pc","subject":"Re: [PATCH] l10n: de.po: translate 265 new messages","fromName":"Ralf Thielow","fromEmail":"ralf.thielow@googlemail.com","sentAt":"2012-05-21T18:02:26Z","receivedAt":"2012-05-21T18:02:26Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"ralf.thielow@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1275832?v=4"},"body":">\n> The translation (both in the existing strings and in your newly added ones)\n> addresses the user as \"du\" instead of \"Sie\" (for the non-German-speaking: \"du\"\n> is the informal addressing, \"Sie\" is the formal addressing). However, in\n> German software there are two main rules on this: 1. Don't address the user\n> directly. Rather prefer passive forms over directly addressing the person. I\n> know English software is much more permissive of this one. Hence, occasionally\n> the German translator should take the freedom to change the wording so that\n> the addressing of the user is replaced in the translation by some passive\n> wording without the addressing of the user. 2. If the addressing of the user\n> is unavoidable, the text should use \"Sie\" instead of \"du\". Addressing the user\n> as \"du\" should be constrained to audiences which for sure always address each\n> other as \"du\", such as certain educational settings and/or games and such (and\n> maybe in the Ikea-Katalog, but even there they switched from Du to Sie and\n> back again several times). Please try to avoid using \"du\" in developer tools'\n> user-visible strings. Thanks a lot!\n>\n\nHi Christian,\n\nthanks for your review. I agree with you that using a formal addressing\nis better and probably sounds a bit more serious than an informal. However,\nI would put that change in another commit to make it through the whole\ntranslation,\nbecause it's probably not a good idea to mix them. This also includes the last\ngit.pot update on master. I don't expect big updates on git.pot after 1.7.11-rc0\nwas tagged, so afterwards I start working on this.\n\nThanks\n\nRalf\n"},{"id":"191824","messageId":"3329216.EHqWPidfNL@cs-pc","threadId":"30570","inReplyTo":"CAN0XMOKsKRwsrHv=FNKtzydf8_sW6nM7bw2HJu6wT4reR=jujg@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [PATCH] l10n: de.po: translate 265 new messages","fromName":"Christian Stimming","fromEmail":"stimming@tuhh.de","sentAt":"2012-05-21T19:44:18Z","receivedAt":"2012-05-21T19:44:18Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"stimming@tuhh.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/227778?v=4"},"body":"Am Montag, 21. Mai 2012, 20:02:26 schrieb Ralf Thielow:\n> Hi Christian,\n> \n> thanks for your review. I agree with you that using a formal addressing\n> is better and probably sounds a bit more serious than an informal. However,\n> I would put that change in another commit to make it through the whole\n> translation,\n> because it's probably not a good idea to mix them. This also includes the\n> last git.pot update on master. I don't expect big updates on git.pot after\n> 1.7.11-rc0 was tagged, so afterwards I start working on this.\n\nHi Ralf,\n\nthis is a very good proposal! Indeed the addressing shouldn't be mixed for \nnow. Thanks for picking up the suggestion.\n\nRegards,\n\nChristian\n"}]}