{"thread":{"id":"27197","subject":"translation difficulties :: revision and commit","startedAt":"2011-04-27T10:34:06Z","lastAt":"2011-04-28T12:14:35Z","messageCount":5,"participants":["Motiejus Jakštys","Peter Krefting","Drew Northup"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"166498","messageId":"20110427103406.GA7186@jakstys.lt","threadId":"27197","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"translation difficulties :: revision and commit","fromName":"Motiejus Jakštys","fromEmail":"desired.mta@gmail.com","sentAt":"2011-04-27T10:34:06Z","receivedAt":"2011-04-27T10:34:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"desired.mta@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/5d7d88e7b672acebe3472e92baccb5f933fbd282b6131e22e32d96e5818b5b38?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"I am doing git translation to Lithuanian, and cannot find the difference\nbetween \"revision\" and \"commit\", as I need to create a word for\n\"commit\". It is confusing.\n\nThe problem is we don't have a noun for commit. Verb would be „įkelti“,\nwhich is suitable, but noun out of the verb („įkėlimas“) is\nlinguistically unsuitable and messes up meaning in some cases. Therefore\nlocal community is suggesting word „revizija“ (revision) for noun. It\nwould make perfect sence in SVN context.\n\nAre there any objections? Can verb \"commit\" be called \"revision\" in git\nin noun context? What are the differences? From\nDocumentation/revisions.txt:\n\n    A revision parameter '<rev>' typically, but not necessarily, names a\n    commit object. It uses what is called an 'extended SHA1' syntax.\n\nIs it that revision is a name for commit object, stash object,\ncherry-pick object? No? Please clarify.\n\nThank you.\n\nMotiejus\n"},{"id":"166515","messageId":"alpine.DEB.2.00.1104271327550.23722@ds9.cixit.se","threadId":"27197","inReplyTo":"20110427103406.GA7186@jakstys.lt","subject":"Re: translation difficulties :: revision and commit","fromName":"Peter Krefting","fromEmail":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","sentAt":"2011-04-27T12:29:21Z","receivedAt":"2011-04-27T12:29:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/990764?v=4"},"body":"Motiejus Jak?tys:\n\n> I am doing git translation to Lithuanian, and cannot find the difference\n> between \"revision\" and \"commit\", as I need to create a word for\n> \"commit\". It is confusing.\n\nFor Swedish, I used a translation of \"check-in\" (as when checking in at an \nairport) for \"commit\", both in the verb and noun forms.\n\n-- \n\\\\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/\n"},{"id":"166550","messageId":"1303934784.25134.74.camel@drew-northup.unet.maine.edu","threadId":"27197","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.2.00.1104271327550.23722@ds9.cixit.se","subject":"Re: translation difficulties :: revision and commit","fromName":"Drew Northup","fromEmail":"drew.northup@maine.edu","sentAt":"2011-04-27T20:06:24Z","receivedAt":"2011-04-27T20:06:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"drew.northup@maine.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18331571?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Wed, 2011-04-27 at 13:29 +0100, Peter Krefting wrote:\n> Motiejus Jakštys:\n> \n> > I am doing git translation to Lithuanian, and cannot find the difference\n> > between \"revision\" and \"commit\", as I need to create a word for\n> > \"commit\". It is confusing.\n> \n> For Swedish, I used a translation of \"check-in\" (as when checking in at an \n> airport) for \"commit\", both in the verb and noun forms.\n\nIf you seek to avoid SVN-isms I suggest thinking about the\ndeconstruction of \"commit\" in the context we are using it: \"to commit\nthe current state of the working directory as known by Git to the\nrecorded history.\" That we are using it as a noun in the Git\ndocumentation is pure jargon, separate from the original verb (which\nhappens to be transitive in English, making natural noun-ification less\nlikely). \nSo far as the language element is concerned, it could have been chosen\nto be a \"flubberbudget\" and provided nobody attempted suggesting to\nLinus that he'd be insane for calling it that it would have had a decent\nchance of staying that way. ;-)\n\n-- \n-Drew Northup\n________________________________________________\n\"As opposed to vegetable or mineral error?\"\n-John Pescatore, SANS NewsBites Vol. 12 Num. 59\n"},{"id":"166625","messageId":"alpine.DEB.2.00.1104281058560.7540@perkele.intern.softwolves.pp.se","threadId":"27197","inReplyTo":"1303934784.25134.74.camel@drew-northup.unet.maine.edu","subject":"Re: translation difficulties :: revision and commit","fromName":"Peter Krefting","fromEmail":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","sentAt":"2011-04-28T09:02:03Z","receivedAt":"2011-04-28T09:02:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/990764?v=4"},"body":"Drew Northup:\n\n>> For Swedish, I used a translation of \"check-in\" (as when checking in at an\n>> airport) for \"commit\", both in the verb and noun forms.\n\n> If you seek to avoid SVN-isms I suggest thinking about the\n> deconstruction of \"commit\" in the context we are using it:\n\nI don't know much about Subversionisms, never really having used Subversion \n(but I have used CVS extensively, so I am a bit damaged), so I cannot \ncomment on that.\n\n> \"to commit the current state of the working directory as known by Git to \n> the recorded history.\"\n\nThe problem, at least for Swedish, is that if I want to translate that \nsentence, finding a good word to replace \"commit\" is very difficult, even \nwhen it is used properly like this. Some things just don't translate very \nwell into other languages.\n\n> So far as the language element is concerned, it could have been chosen to \n> be a \"flubberbudget\" and provided nobody attempted suggesting to Linus \n> that he'd be insane for calling it that it would have had a decent chance \n> of staying that way. ;-)\n\nSpeaking of Linus, his native tounge is the same as mine, so I will let him \nhave the power to override my Swedish translation of Git & co, if he sees \nfit :-)\n\n-- \n\\\\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/\n"},{"id":"166639","messageId":"1303992875.1148.23.camel@drew-northup.unet.maine.edu","threadId":"27197","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.2.00.1104281058560.7540@perkele.intern.softwolves.pp.se","subject":"Re: translation difficulties :: revision and commit","fromName":"Drew Northup","fromEmail":"drew.northup@maine.edu","sentAt":"2011-04-28T12:14:35Z","receivedAt":"2011-04-28T12:14:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"drew.northup@maine.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18331571?v=4"},"body":"\nOn Thu, 2011-04-28 at 11:02 +0200, Peter Krefting wrote:\n> Drew Northup:\n> \n> >> For Swedish, I used a translation of \"check-in\" (as when checking in at an\n> >> airport) for \"commit\", both in the verb and noun forms.\n> \n> > If you seek to avoid SVN-isms I suggest thinking about the\n> > deconstruction of \"commit\" in the context we are using it:\n> \n> I don't know much about Subversionisms, never really having used Subversion \n> (but I have used CVS extensively, so I am a bit damaged), so I cannot \n> comment on that.\n\nI feel your pain. Somewhere around here I (think I) still have the full\nCVS dump of Plex86 that I never properly found a new home for (11 years\nago). As it won't compile on anything newer than 2.4.x and Kevin Lawton\nfolded most of it back into Bochs I highly doubt there's a lot of people\nlooking for it.\n\n> > \"to commit the current state of the working directory as known by Git to \n> > the recorded history.\"\n> \n> The problem, at least for Swedish, is that if I want to translate that \n> sentence, finding a good word to replace \"commit\" is very difficult, even \n> when it is used properly like this. Some things just don't translate very \n> well into other languages.\n\nWell, that is a problem then! I had thought the problem was fashioning a\nreplacement for our jargon noun-form. Now that I think of it, English\nhas got to be hard to start from in general with its 45k word\n\"canonical\" (approximate current use) set--and that's when we don't\ncompound or conjugate them in odd new ways or otherwise exercise\nimplements of linguistic destruction upon them.\n> \n> > So far as the language element is concerned, it could have been chosen to \n> > be a \"flubberbudget\" and provided nobody attempted suggesting to Linus \n> > that he'd be insane for calling it that it would have had a decent chance \n> > of staying that way. ;-)\n> \n> Speaking of Linus, his native tounge is the same as mine, so I will let him \n> have the power to override my Swedish translation of Git & co, if he sees \n> fit :-)\n\n-- \n-Drew Northup\n________________________________________________\n\"As opposed to vegetable or mineral error?\"\n-John Pescatore, SANS NewsBites Vol. 12 Num. 59\n"}]}