{"thread":{"id":"25246","subject":"Splitting the mailing list up","startedAt":"2010-09-25T21:00:22Z","lastAt":"2010-10-02T21:33:04Z","messageCount":19,"participants":["Rico Secada","Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","Jay Soffian","walter harms","Sebastien Douche","Wincent Colaiuta","Nicolas Sebrecht","Adrian Buehlmann","Michael J Gruber","Erik Faye-Lund","Sverre Rabbelier","Leonid Podolny","Brandon Casey"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"151690","messageId":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Rico Secada","fromEmail":"coolzone@it.dk","sentAt":"2010-09-25T21:00:22Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-25T21:00:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"coolzone@it.dk","avatar":null},"body":"Hi all.\n\nWould it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\nsub-categories?\n\nExample:\n\nannounce@\ndev@\nuser@\n\netc.\n\nThe list receives a lot of traffic and it might be beneficial to split\nthings up.\n\nAnyway, just a suggestion.\n\nBest regards.\n\nRico\n"},{"id":"151692","messageId":"AANLkTikHNhRTTvcpj_30fUBbxv8-qG9HfTTO+XkLJgam@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-25T21:05:12Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-25T21:05:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 21:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n> The list receives a lot of traffic and it might be beneficial to split\n> things up.\n\nWhy is a lot of traffic a bad thing?\n\nE.g. if you don't want all the patch submissions you can just filter out PATCH.\n"},{"id":"151694","messageId":"20100925231935.8fa0b946.coolzone@it.dk","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTikHNhRTTvcpj_30fUBbxv8-qG9HfTTO+XkLJgam@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Rico Secada","fromEmail":"coolzone@it.dk","sentAt":"2010-09-25T21:19:35Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-25T21:19:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"coolzone@it.dk","avatar":null},"body":"On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:05:12 +0000\nÆvar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:\n\n> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 21:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n> > The list receives a lot of traffic and it might be beneficial to\n> > split things up.\n> \n> Why is a lot of traffic a bad thing?\n\nI didn't say it was a bad thing :)\n\nI was looking at this from a \"relevancy\" point of view. Kinda like the\nway Debian or FreeBSD has split their lists up.\n\n> E.g. if you don't want all the patch submissions you can just filter\n> out PATCH.\n\nThat's one way to do it, but I think splitting things up is better.\n\nSome people live on limited bandwidth and it takes time to download all\nemails, especially if you are subscribing to other mailing lists as\nwell.\n\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n"},{"id":"151702","messageId":"AANLkTineNLysroH+LGD6ah7WMcLp6e0sU1-uxmcgWHG5@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925231935.8fa0b946.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Jay Soffian","fromEmail":"jaysoffian@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-26T06:52:50Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-26T06:52:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jaysoffian@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/155970?v=4"},"body":"On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Rico Secada wrote:\n> That's one way to do it, but I think splitting things up is better.\n\nHi. You seem to be new here. Let me direct you to some previous\ndiscussions of this topic:\n\nhttp://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/60610/focus=60655\nhttp://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/105417/focus=105606\n\nj.\n"},{"id":"151724","messageId":"4C9F6DC1.3080506@bfs.de","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"walter harms","fromEmail":"wharms@bfs.de","sentAt":"2010-09-26T15:58:57Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-26T15:58:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"wharms@bfs.de","avatar":null},"body":"+1\n\nRico Secada schrieb:\n> Hi all.\n> \n> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n> sub-categories?\n> \n> Example:\n> \n> announce@\n> dev@\n> user@\n> \n> etc.\n> \n> The list receives a lot of traffic and it might be beneficial to split\n> things up.\n> \n> Anyway, just a suggestion.\n> \n> Best regards.\n> \n> Rico\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n> \n"},{"id":"151725","messageId":"AANLkTikXSfO0uGP1b20jkF09=Mfq0s0+4d4_ANeprXF_@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Sebastien Douche","fromEmail":"sdouche@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-26T16:02:43Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-26T16:02:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sdouche@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1b4a6cb11f6237ff9dc78b953ce48e416afa42e947143e14273cdc2c7f6f9c1a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 23:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n> sub-categories?\n>\n> Example:\n>\n> announce@\n> dev@\n> user@\n\nWhy not, but the simple way is to create another ml for patchs.\nWithout patchs, the traffic seems relatively low.\n\n\n-- \nSebastien Douche \nTwitter: http://bit.ly/afkrK (agile, lean, python, open source)\n"},{"id":"151734","messageId":"8AE74FC9-6C7F-433E-A162-E56644847198@wincent.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTikXSfO0uGP1b20jkF09=Mfq0s0+4d4_ANeprXF_@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Wincent Colaiuta","fromEmail":"win@wincent.com","sentAt":"2010-09-26T17:30:27Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-26T17:30:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"greg@hurrell.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/7074?v=4"},"body":"El 26/09/2010, a las 18:02, Sebastien Douche escribió:\n\n> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 23:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n>> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n>> sub-categories?\n>> \n>> Example:\n>> \n>> announce@\n>> dev@\n>> user@\n> \n> Why not, but the simple way is to create another ml for patchs.\n> Without patchs, the traffic seems relatively low.\n\nThis has come up many times, and been rejected each time. Check the archives for the reasons why.\n\nCheers,\nWincent\n"},{"id":"151742","messageId":"AANLkTik3ES08H1VSaGxv7aDoV3Ki_Y2ea2dHYqem0S28@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"8AE74FC9-6C7F-433E-A162-E56644847198@wincent.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason","fromEmail":"avarab@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-26T18:54:43Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-26T18:54:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"avarab@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45301?v=4"},"body":"On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 17:30, Wincent Colaiuta wrote:\n> El 26/09/2010, a las 18:02, Sebastien Douche escribió:\n>\n>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 23:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n>>> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n>>> sub-categories?\n>>>\n>>> Example:\n>>>\n>>> announce@\n>>> dev@\n>>> user@\n>>\n>> Why not, but the simple way is to create another ml for patchs.\n>> Without patchs, the traffic seems relatively low.\n>\n> This has come up many times, and been rejected each time. Check the archives for the reasons why.\n\nRight, but for the *main* mailing list. However if Rico, Walter and\nothers would find a limited traffic mailing list valuable there's\nnothing stopping them from setting one up.\n\nJay linked to an archive where someone is running RSS feeds of the\ndifferent parts of the git list, similarly you could set up a git-user\nlist which would be a version of the git list filtered to reduce patch\ntraffic.\n\nMaybe that list wouldn't make much sense when patches are intermingled\nwith regular discussion, but it's worth a try.\n"},{"id":"151844","messageId":"20100927165356.GA13032@vidovic","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTik3ES08H1VSaGxv7aDoV3Ki_Y2ea2dHYqem0S28@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Nicolas Sebrecht","fromEmail":"nicolas.s.dev@gmx.fr","sentAt":"2010-09-27T16:53:56Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-27T16:53:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"nicolas.s.dev@gmx.fr","avatar":null},"body":"The 26/09/10, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:\n\n> Right, but for the *main* mailing list. However if Rico, Walter and\n> others would find a limited traffic mailing list valuable there's\n> nothing stopping them from setting one up.\n> \n> Jay linked to an archive where someone is running RSS feeds of the\n> different parts of the git list, similarly you could set up a git-user\n> list which would be a version of the git list filtered to reduce patch\n> traffic.\n> \n> Maybe that list wouldn't make much sense when patches are intermingled\n> with regular discussion, but it's worth a try.\n\nzsh mailing lists(1) are splitted in users and workers where submissions\nin the users list are forwarded to workers. This looks like a good\nsolution for the git mailing list(s), IMHO.\n\n1. http://zsh.sourceforge.net/Arc/mlist.html\n\n-- \nNicolas Sebrecht\n"},{"id":"151880","messageId":"4CA1899F.2020509@cadifra.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Adrian Buehlmann","fromEmail":"adrian@cadifra.com","sentAt":"2010-09-28T06:22:23Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-28T06:22:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"adrian@cadifra.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/836bddeab3c224ce370f28dddbb4bcf9a08e3f14ef71a47920f7cf034ac53b30?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 25.09.2010 23:00, Rico Secada wrote:\n> Hi all.\n> \n> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n> sub-categories?\n> \n> Example:\n> \n> announce@\n> dev@\n> user@\n> \n> etc.\n> \n> The list receives a lot of traffic and it might be beneficial to split\n> things up.\n> \n\nI think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\nsplitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\nused to). Not sure about announce though.\n\nWhen I recently subscribed to this list (after having been a long time\nsubscriber to the Mercurial lists too), I was interested in seeing\ndiscussions about git usage to help me get started with git.\n\nI also think searching the archives would be a bit easier if discussions\nof new git development details and its usage would be separated.\n"},{"id":"152028","messageId":"AANLkTimes-ds-C1+_tdTW2vCdBR9gC7hTNhsyMoCu+rS@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"4CA1899F.2020509@cadifra.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Sebastien Douche","fromEmail":"sdouche@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T07:56:20Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T07:56:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sdouche@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1b4a6cb11f6237ff9dc78b953ce48e416afa42e947143e14273cdc2c7f6f9c1a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 08:22, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n> I think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\n> splitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\n> used to). Not sure about announce though.\n\nSo, what is the decision? Split or not split?\n\n-- \nSebastien Douche \nTwitter: http://bit.ly/afkrK (agile, lean, python, open source)\n"},{"id":"152030","messageId":"4CA2FA76.6080501@cadifra.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"141CAFB5-D423-48FE-BEED-B755C5F2685B@sb.org","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Adrian Buehlmann","fromEmail":"adrian@cadifra.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T08:36:06Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T08:36:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"adrian@cadifra.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/836bddeab3c224ce370f28dddbb4bcf9a08e3f14ef71a47920f7cf034ac53b30?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 28.09.2010 22:06, Kevin Ballard wrote:\n> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n> \n>> I think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\n>> splitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\n>> used to). Not sure about announce though.\n>>\n>> When I recently subscribed to this list (after having been a long time\n>> subscriber to the Mercurial lists too), I was interested in seeing\n>> discussions about git usage to help me get started with git.\n>>\n>> I also think searching the archives would be a bit easier if discussions\n>> of new git development details and its usage would be separated.\n> \n> Perhaps it would make more sense to simply create a new list for git\n> newbies to get help, and to not change the nature of this existing list\n> at all.\n\nOf course, I would be fine if this list here would be simply defined as\nthe \"git development centric list\" and a new, more usage-centric list\ncould be started (git-users ?).\n\nI wouldn't consider myself a complete newbie (given my DVCS knowledge I\nalready have from my involvement in the Mercurial and TortoiseHg\nprojects -- I contributed code to both of them).\n\nI was just interested in using git, not (yet) developing. This includes\nalso advanced uses and problems advanced users may have with git\n(helping me to get a better understanding of git).\n"},{"id":"152034","messageId":"4CA30201.5020006@drmicha.warpmail.net","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"4CA2FA76.6080501@cadifra.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"git@drmicha.warpmail.net","sentAt":"2010-09-29T09:08:17Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T09:08:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Adrian Buehlmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.09.2010 10:36:\n> On 28.09.2010 22:06, Kevin Ballard wrote:\n>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n>>\n>>> I think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\n>>> splitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\n>>> used to). Not sure about announce though.\n>>>\n>>> When I recently subscribed to this list (after having been a long time\n>>> subscriber to the Mercurial lists too), I was interested in seeing\n>>> discussions about git usage to help me get started with git.\n>>>\n>>> I also think searching the archives would be a bit easier if discussions\n>>> of new git development details and its usage would be separated.\n>>\n>> Perhaps it would make more sense to simply create a new list for git\n>> newbies to get help, and to not change the nature of this existing list\n>> at all.\n> \n> Of course, I would be fine if this list here would be simply defined as\n> the \"git development centric list\" and a new, more usage-centric list\n> could be started (git-users ?).\n\nYou mean something like:\n\ngit-users@googlegroups.com\n\nI don't participate there, but my impression is that it's really a user\ngroup.\n\nFWIW: When I was new, the volume over here was too much for me also, and\nsimply filtering out all PATCH messages was a perfect solution. I've\nremoved that filter meanwhile, though...\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"152047","messageId":"AANLkTimPdqM_29Aru7tAGp_REem+BYAuE8o-U-qkhS6T@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"4CA30201.5020006@drmicha.warpmail.net","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Erik Faye-Lund","fromEmail":"kusmabite@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T13:00:50Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T13:00:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"kusmabite@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/47073?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Michael J Gruber\n wrote:\n> Adrian Buehlmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.09.2010 10:36:\n>> On 28.09.2010 22:06, Kevin Ballard wrote:\n>>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n>>>\n>>>> I think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\n>>>> splitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\n>>>> used to). Not sure about announce though.\n>>>>\n>>>> When I recently subscribed to this list (after having been a long time\n>>>> subscriber to the Mercurial lists too), I was interested in seeing\n>>>> discussions about git usage to help me get started with git.\n>>>>\n>>>> I also think searching the archives would be a bit easier if discussions\n>>>> of new git development details and its usage would be separated.\n>>>\n>>> Perhaps it would make more sense to simply create a new list for git\n>>> newbies to get help, and to not change the nature of this existing list\n>>> at all.\n>>\n>> Of course, I would be fine if this list here would be simply defined as\n>> the \"git development centric list\" and a new, more usage-centric list\n>> could be started (git-users ?).\n>\n> You mean something like:\n>\n> git-users@googlegroups.com\n>\n> I don't participate there, but my impression is that it's really a user\n> group.\n>\n\nhttp://groups.google.com/group/git-users says \"This is the git mailing\nlist for users, feel free to ask any question about git usage.\", so\nyes. I think we already have that list. Perhaps all we need to do is\nto add a link to it on the front-page of git-scm.com, next to the link\nto this? Perhaps something like \"You can also ask the Git development\ncommunity directly at our git@vger.kernel.org mailing list, or the Git\nuser community at git-users@googlegroups.com\"?\n\nThat would imply making it a bit more official, but perhaps it's a\ngood compromise?\n"},{"id":"152051","messageId":"4CA33D07.3000207@cadifra.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTimPdqM_29Aru7tAGp_REem+BYAuE8o-U-qkhS6T@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Adrian Buehlmann","fromEmail":"adrian@cadifra.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T13:20:07Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T13:20:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"adrian@cadifra.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/836bddeab3c224ce370f28dddbb4bcf9a08e3f14ef71a47920f7cf034ac53b30?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On 29.09.2010 15:00, Erik Faye-Lund wrote:\n> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Michael J Gruber\n> wrote:\n>> Adrian Buehlmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.09.2010 10:36:\n>>> On 28.09.2010 22:06, Kevin Ballard wrote:\n>>>> On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:22 PM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n>>>>\n>>>>> I think this would definitely be an improvement for git users. At least\n>>>>> splitting up into dev and user, like Mercurial does it too (which I am\n>>>>> used to). Not sure about announce though.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> When I recently subscribed to this list (after having been a long time\n>>>>> subscriber to the Mercurial lists too), I was interested in seeing\n>>>>> discussions about git usage to help me get started with git.\n>>>>>\n>>>>> I also think searching the archives would be a bit easier if discussions\n>>>>> of new git development details and its usage would be separated.\n>>>>\n>>>> Perhaps it would make more sense to simply create a new list for git\n>>>> newbies to get help, and to not change the nature of this existing list\n>>>> at all.\n>>>\n>>> Of course, I would be fine if this list here would be simply defined as\n>>> the \"git development centric list\" and a new, more usage-centric list\n>>> could be started (git-users ?).\n>>\n>> You mean something like:\n>>\n>> git-users@googlegroups.com\n>>\n>> I don't participate there, but my impression is that it's really a user\n>> group.\n>>\n\nOh. I didn't know that group existed. Interesting. Thanks for the pointer.\n\n> http://groups.google.com/group/git-users says \"This is the git mailing\n> list for users, feel free to ask any question about git usage.\", so\n> yes. I think we already have that list. Perhaps all we need to do is\n> to add a link to it on the front-page of git-scm.com, next to the link\n> to this? Perhaps something like \"You can also ask the Git development\n> community directly at our git@vger.kernel.org mailing list, or the Git\n> user community at git-users@googlegroups.com\"?\n> \n> That would imply making it a bit more official, but perhaps it's a\n> good compromise?\n\nAt least it could be mentioned on\nhttps://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity\n?\n\nAnyway, I've now filtered the PATCH emails as suggested and I'll keep\nsubscribed here :)\n\nThanks for the hints and pointers, everyone.\n"},{"id":"152053","messageId":"AANLkTimLyYMpedvk1OWYxZDQWWY0VvVy9Sk3ZURUxQKd@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"4CA33D07.3000207@cadifra.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Erik Faye-Lund","fromEmail":"kusmabite@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T13:30:18Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T13:30:18Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"kusmabite@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/47073?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Adrian Buehlmann wrote:\n> On 29.09.2010 15:00, Erik Faye-Lund wrote:\n>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Michael J Gruber\n>> wrote:\n>>> Adrian Buehlmann venit, vidit, dixit 29.09.2010 10:36:\n>>>> Of course, I would be fine if this list here would be simply defined as\n>>>> the \"git development centric list\" and a new, more usage-centric list\n>>>> could be started (git-users ?).\n>>>\n>>> You mean something like:\n>>>\n>>> git-users@googlegroups.com\n>>>\n>>> I don't participate there, but my impression is that it's really a user\n>>> group.\n>>>\n>> http://groups.google.com/group/git-users says \"This is the git mailing\n>> list for users, feel free to ask any question about git usage.\", so\n>> yes. I think we already have that list. Perhaps all we need to do is\n>> to add a link to it on the front-page of git-scm.com, next to the link\n>> to this? Perhaps something like \"You can also ask the Git development\n>> community directly at our git@vger.kernel.org mailing list, or the Git\n>> user community at git-users@googlegroups.com\"?\n>>\n>> That would imply making it a bit more official, but perhaps it's a\n>> good compromise?\n>\n> At least it could be mentioned on\n> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitCommunity\n> ?\n\nDone.\n"},{"id":"152061","messageId":"AANLkTim2Zrj+VUirUL+cyfFnHRw6L9TST-p01yx1rtZS@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTimPdqM_29Aru7tAGp_REem+BYAuE8o-U-qkhS6T@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-09-29T15:02:34Z","receivedAt":"2010-09-29T15:02:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:00, Erik Faye-Lund wrote:\n> http://groups.google.com/group/git-users says \"This is the git mailing\n> list for users, feel free to ask any question about git usage.\", so\n> yes. I think we already have that list. Perhaps all we need to do is\n> to add a link to it on the front-page of git-scm.com, next to the link\n> to this? Perhaps something like \"You can also ask the Git development\n> community directly at our git@vger.kernel.org mailing list, or the Git\n> user community at git-users@googlegroups.com\"?\n>\n> That would imply making it a bit more official, but perhaps it's a\n> good compromise?\n\nPerhaps we can just at 'git@vger.kernel.org' as one of the list users,\nso that all mails sent to git-users@googlegroups.com are forwarded to\nthe git list? As long as the git-users group is open to all, that\nshould Just Work, no?\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"152294","messageId":"AANLkTik-+5uCuRkEqE6_e5dcYsY8vhbX-qYXpaL2f9CP@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"20100925230022.6e2fd389.coolzone@it.dk","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Leonid Podolny","fromEmail":"leonidp.lists@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-10-02T18:26:43Z","receivedAt":"2010-10-02T18:26:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"leonidp.lists@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Rico Secada wrote:\n> Hi all.\n>\n> Would it be a bad idea to split the Git mailing list up in several\n> sub-categories?\n>\n\nAs far as I can tell, splitting a list into -dev and -user lists tends\nto drive the quality of the -user list down. The people with actual\nknowledge about the topic ask themselves: \"Why do I keep answering\nquestions from clueless noobs, while all the action I care about\nhappens on another list?\" and end up leaving the list altogether.\nI think that as long as the traffic on this list remains manageable,\nwe should keep everything as-is.\n"},{"id":"152298","messageId":"AANLkTi=WRfbAa7Xb8PS63_DfKiZYwEsWSruivwtkVhWR@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"25246","inReplyTo":"AANLkTim2Zrj+VUirUL+cyfFnHRw6L9TST-p01yx1rtZS@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Splitting the mailing list up","fromName":"Brandon Casey","fromEmail":"drafnel@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-10-02T21:33:04Z","receivedAt":"2010-10-02T21:33:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"drafnel@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/921167?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> Heya,\n>\n> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:00, Erik Faye-Lund wrote:\n>> http://groups.google.com/group/git-users says \"This is the git mailing\n>> list for users, feel free to ask any question about git usage.\", so\n>> yes. I think we already have that list. Perhaps all we need to do is\n>> to add a link to it on the front-page of git-scm.com, next to the link\n>> to this? Perhaps something like \"You can also ask the Git development\n>> community directly at our git@vger.kernel.org mailing list, or the Git\n>> user community at git-users@googlegroups.com\"?\n>>\n>> That would imply making it a bit more official, but perhaps it's a\n>> good compromise?\n>\n> Perhaps we can just at 'git@vger.kernel.org' as one of the list users,\n> so that all mails sent to git-users@googlegroups.com are forwarded to\n> the git list? As long as the git-users group is open to all, that\n> should Just Work, no?\n\nIf it worked, it would be just like the zsh mailing list setup that was\nsuggested, which is a good thing IMHO.\n\nIf gmane is to be trusted (and if I parsed the output of:\n\n http://gmane.org/output-rate.php?group=gmane.comp.version-control.git\n\ncorreclty), then the git mailing list has received an average of about\n80 messages per day in 2010.\n\nThe \"about\" page for the git-users group seems to indicate that the\ngroup has received about 65 messages per _month_ over the last\n4 higher-traffic-than-normal months. A drop in the bucket compared\nto the main mailing list.\n\nBut, the \"about\" page here:\n\n http://groups.google.com/group/git-users/about\n\nalso says:\n\n \"Only members can post\"\n\nThat would need to be opened up so that non-members from the\nmain git list could reply to posts originating from the \"users\"\ngroup.\n\n-Brandon\n"}]}