{"thread":{"id":"22212","subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Git wiki & repo.or.cz migration, donations and volunteers pledge","startedAt":"2010-01-13T23:29:08Z","lastAt":"2010-02-12T11:38:35Z","messageCount":36,"participants":["Petr Baudis","J.H.","Johannes Schindelin","Matthieu Moy","Wincent Colaiuta","Joey Hess","Sverre Rabbelier","Junio C Hamano","Clemens Buchacher","Jakub Narebski"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"131547","messageId":"20100113232908.GA3299@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Git wiki & repo.or.cz migration, donations and volunteers pledge","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-01-13T23:29:08Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-13T23:29:08Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"Hello!\n\nI would like to notify you that unfortunately, Czech UPC terminated the\nsponsorship of the hardware and connectivity hosting the Git Wiki and\nrepo.or.cz (after generously donating it for several years).\n\nWe have just secured at least provisional hosting at the Charles University,\nPrague and CESNET - the connectivity should be equally good as at UPC,\neven better on university backbones over the world. However, I will have\nto buy new rack server for the hosting service from my own pocket and this is\nwhere I have to ask for your help - I can't afford to sponsor the full price\nof the server, and reasonably powerful rack hardware ain't cheap (repo.or.cz\n_is_ quite a workload!).\n\nThus, I would like to ask you for donations for the new hardware - the full\ncost is $1400 (CZK 24000); we would like to gather more in order to be able to\nbuy a RAID0 pair disk and more RAM. Any extra money would all go to\nthe server-related costs, most likely hardware upgrades in the future.\nI apologize for abusing the vger public forum for this, I hope the readers\nnot using repo.or.cz and the wiki will not mind.\n\nOn a related note, unfortunately I can't spend nearly as much time on\nthe wiki and repo.or.cz maintenance and enhancements as it would deserve.\nThus, I'm seeking for volunteers to help with both day-to-day maintenance\nand development. You will be richly credited and ethernal glory in the Git\ncommunity awaits you, plus it will surely make a great CV bullet-point! :)\nI'm sure really cool things could be done by developers with fresh ideas,\nespecially after the hardware upgrade.\n\n\n*** You can donate and view the current pledge status at: ***\n\n\thttp://repo.or.cz/h/pledge.html\n\n\nThanks,\n\n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\n"},{"id":"131569","messageId":"20100114012449.GB3299@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100113232908.GA3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"[RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-01-14T01:24:49Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T01:24:49Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":" Hi!\n\nOn Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:29:08AM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:\n> I would like to notify you that unfortunately, Czech UPC terminated the\n> sponsorship of the hardware and connectivity hosting the Git Wiki and\n> repo.or.cz (after generously donating it for several years).\n\n ...please scratch the Git Wiki part, you would be supporting just\nrepo.or.cz - we are considering to move the Git wiki to wiki.kernel.org\nMediaWiki installation and I would like to ask if anyone disagrees with\nthis. The motivation is that:\n\n\t(i) wiki.kernel.org is actually maintained! Thus, there should\n\tbe less spam or upgrade issues and better support in case of\n\tproblems.\n\n\t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than\n\tikiwiki...\n\n\t(iii) ...and OBTW, no CamelCase!\n\n Of course, there will be compatibility redirects.\n\n\n P.S.: Sorry for such hasty mail, I just want to avoid extracting money\nfrom someone on false pretenses. ;-) Let me know if you already sent\nsome money and wished to support just the wiki.\n\n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\n"},{"id":"131632","messageId":"4B4EF1E0.3040808@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100114012449.GB3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-14T10:28:48Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T10:28:48Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/13/2010 05:24 PM, Petr Baudis wrote:\n> Hi!\n> \n> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:29:08AM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:\n>> I would like to notify you that unfortunately, Czech UPC terminated the\n>> sponsorship of the hardware and connectivity hosting the Git Wiki and\n>> repo.or.cz (after generously donating it for several years).\n> \n> ...please scratch the Git Wiki part, you would be supporting just\n> repo.or.cz - we are considering to move the Git wiki to wiki.kernel.org\n> MediaWiki installation and I would like to ask if anyone disagrees with\n> this. The motivation is that:\n> \n> \t(i) wiki.kernel.org is actually maintained! Thus, there should\n> \tbe less spam or upgrade issues and better support in case of\n> \tproblems.\n> \n> \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than\n> \tikiwiki...\n> \n> \t(iii) ...and OBTW, no CamelCase!\n> \n> Of course, there will be compatibility redirects.\n> \n> \n> P.S.: Sorry for such hasty mail, I just want to avoid extracting money\n> from someone on false pretenses. ;-) Let me know if you already sent\n> some money and wished to support just the wiki.\n\nJust a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\nhttp://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\nsome of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not carried\nover but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if\ntomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail\nabove. If there is I'm more than happy to drop the wiki if need be, but\nI figured plowing ahead was reasonably easy and it at least gets the\nball rolling.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131634","messageId":"vpqbpgxrn32.fsf@bauges.imag.fr","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B4EF1E0.3040808@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Matthieu Moy","fromEmail":"matthieu.moy@grenoble-inp.fr","sentAt":"2010-01-14T10:35:13Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T10:35:13Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"matthieu.moy@grenoble-inp.fr","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/72c8a2705971a25dfaff23cece15130d405685845d911aedd5667ace277f3fc5?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"\"J.H.\" writes:\n\n> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n> some of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not carried\n> over but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if\n> tomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail\n> above.\n\nMy only objection would be \"Oh, migrating to another wiki engine will\nbe much conversion work\", but if you're willing to do it ;-).\n\nThis page seems to be an interesting test-case:\nhttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq\nfull of miss-imported formatting, links, ...\n\n-- \nMatthieu Moy\nhttp://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/\n"},{"id":"131633","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001141136450.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B4EF1E0.3040808@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-14T10:43:35Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T10:43:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 14 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n\n> On 01/13/2010 05:24 PM, Petr Baudis wrote:\n> \n> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:29:08AM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:\n> >> I would like to notify you that unfortunately, Czech UPC terminated \n> >> the sponsorship of the hardware and connectivity hosting the Git Wiki \n> >> and repo.or.cz (after generously donating it for several years).\n> > \n> > ...please scratch the Git Wiki part, you would be supporting just \n> > repo.or.cz - we are considering to move the Git wiki to \n> > wiki.kernel.org MediaWiki installation and I would like to ask if \n> > anyone disagrees with this. The motivation is that:\n> > \n> > \t(i) wiki.kernel.org is actually maintained! Thus, there should be \n> > \tless spam or upgrade issues and better support in case of problems.\n> > \n> > \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than \n> > \tikiwiki...\n\n... not to mention than MoinMoin...\n\n> > \t(iii) ...and OBTW, no CamelCase!\n> > \n> > Of course, there will be compatibility redirects.\n> \n> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n> some of it not so much.\n\nDid you use a script? And did you leech the sources, or did you get a \ndump?\n\nI note that \"<<(2)>>\" could be converted to \"__TOC__\", \nI believe.\n\n> Please note that user accounts were not carried over but edit histories \n> were.\n\nIIUC there are no email addresses stored in the Git Wiki, so I think that \nwe'll have to live with that. You might get the occasional complaint of a \nstolen account.\n\n> I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if tomorrow, assuming that there \n> isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail above.\n\nI like it. Especially since there is a fun project waiting for me to \nget some time to do it, to convert the full history of a MediaWiki \ninstance into a Git repository. Maybe via the git-remote* mechanism, once \nSverre and Ilari manage to flush out the last remnants of clumsy design.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"131638","messageId":"2BF3DC3D-62CC-4B52-972C-1AD1F6467D8D@wincent.com","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100114012449.GB3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Wincent Colaiuta","fromEmail":"win@wincent.com","sentAt":"2010-01-14T10:48:28Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T10:48:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"greg@hurrell.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/7074?v=4"},"body":"El 14/01/2010, a las 02:24, Petr Baudis escribió:\n\n> \t(i) wiki.kernel.org is actually maintained! Thus, there should\n> \tbe less spam or upgrade issues and better support in case of\n> \tproblems.\n>\n> \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than\n> \tikiwiki...\n\n+1 for MediaWiki.\n\nCheers,\nWincent\n"},{"id":"131635","messageId":"20100114104843.GC3299@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B4EF1E0.3040808@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-01-14T10:48:43Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T10:48:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 02:28:48AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n> some of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not carried\n> over but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if\n> tomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail\n> above.\n\nAre you going to do a lot of manual work there? Since I haven't disabled\nediting the current wiki yet, so maybe I should already do that... (If I\ncan figure out how. ;-)\n\n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\n"},{"id":"131636","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001141157290.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001141136450.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-14T11:01:44Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T11:01:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> I note that \"<<(2)>>\" could be converted to \n> \"__TOC__\", I believe.\n\nSeveral more things: external links only take single brackets, the \nseparator between URL and text is a space, not a pipe symbol, and you have \nto translate brackets in link texts to [ and ] respectively (see \nmy test edits on your Wiki).\n\nLikewise, <
> in MoinMoin is
in MediaWiki (the case actually does \nnot matter).\n\nProbably it would also be good to inform the author of the gitbot on #git \nof the change. Was it 'pieter'?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"131637","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001141202410.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100114104843.GC3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-14T11:03:29Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T11:03:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 14 Jan 2010, Petr Baudis wrote:\n\n> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 02:28:48AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> > Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at \n> > http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion, \n> > some of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not \n> > carried over but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the \n> > rest of if tomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to \n> > Petr's e-mail above.\n> \n> Are you going to do a lot of manual work there? Since I haven't disabled \n> editing the current wiki yet, so maybe I should already do that... (If I \n> can figure out how. ;-)\n\nIt would be good: I just verified that warthog imported everything up to \nand including the latest 4 changes on January 12.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"131660","messageId":"4B4F67F3.8000202@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001141136450.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-14T18:52:35Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T18:52:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/14/2010 02:43 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n> \n> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n> \n>> On 01/13/2010 05:24 PM, Petr Baudis wrote:\n>>\n>>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:29:08AM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:\n>>>> I would like to notify you that unfortunately, Czech UPC terminated \n>>>> the sponsorship of the hardware and connectivity hosting the Git Wiki \n>>>> and repo.or.cz (after generously donating it for several years).\n>>>\n>>> ...please scratch the Git Wiki part, you would be supporting just \n>>> repo.or.cz - we are considering to move the Git wiki to \n>>> wiki.kernel.org MediaWiki installation and I would like to ask if \n>>> anyone disagrees with this. The motivation is that:\n>>>\n>>> \t(i) wiki.kernel.org is actually maintained! Thus, there should be \n>>> \tless spam or upgrade issues and better support in case of problems.\n>>>\n>>> \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than \n>>> \tikiwiki...\n> \n> ... not to mention than MoinMoin...\n> \n>>> \t(iii) ...and OBTW, no CamelCase!\n>>>\n>>> Of course, there will be compatibility redirects.\n>>\n>> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n>> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n>> some of it not so much.\n> \n> Did you use a script? And did you leech the sources, or did you get a \n> dump?\n\nUsed a conversion script form a dump from Petr, needless to say it wa\nsthe one generally recommended by mediawiki and even their commentary on\nit was \"It's the least bad\" basically\n\n> I note that \"<<(2)>>\" could be converted to \"__TOC__\", \n> I believe.\n\nI'll have to go in behind and track those down, should be easy enough to\nfind / fix.\n\n>> Please note that user accounts were not carried over but edit histories \n>> were.\n> \n> IIUC there are no email addresses stored in the Git Wiki, so I think that \n> we'll have to live with that. You might get the occasional complaint of a \n> stolen account.\n\nI'm fine with dealing with those on an individual basis, and it would be\ngood for people to re-create their accounts as soon as possible.\n\n>> I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if tomorrow, assuming that there \n>> isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail above.\n> \n> I like it. Especially since there is a fun project waiting for me to \n> get some time to do it, to convert the full history of a MediaWiki \n> instance into a Git repository. Maybe via the git-remote* mechanism, once \n> Sverre and Ilari manage to flush out the last remnants of clumsy design.\n\nNow you've got a solid wiki to work with that's pertinent ;-)\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131661","messageId":"4B4F68E8.5050809@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"vpqbpgxrn32.fsf@bauges.imag.fr","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-14T18:56:40Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-14T18:56:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/14/2010 02:35 AM, Matthieu Moy wrote:\n> \"J.H.\" writes:\n> \n>> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n>> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n>> some of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not carried\n>> over but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if\n>> tomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail\n>> above.\n> \n> My only objection would be \"Oh, migrating to another wiki engine will\n> be much conversion work\", but if you're willing to do it ;-).\n\nIt unfortunately goes with the territory, though I'll admit the Moinmoin\n-> Mediawiki was the first conversion I've seen where even Mediawiki said:\n\n\tThere are a number of hacky scripts for this. They are all\n\tdefective in various ways - anyone who does this job does it\n\tprecisely once, so there's no-one who really maintains a good\n\tconverter script.\n\n> This page seems to be an interesting test-case:\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq\n> full of miss-imported formatting, links, ...\n\nThat's not actually the worst,\n\nhttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitRelatedLogos\n\neven after I've cleaned up a chunk of it is still pretty bad.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131737","messageId":"20100115171752.GA8182@gnu.kitenet.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100114012449.GB3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Joey Hess","fromEmail":"joey@kitenet.net","sentAt":"2010-01-15T17:17:52Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-15T17:17:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"joey@kitenet.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/16392?v=4"},"body":"Petr Baudis wrote:\n> \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than\n> \tikiwiki...\n\nThis seems like a non-sequitor, since the git wiki is not using, and\nafaik, has never used ikiwiki.\n\n-- \nsee shy jo, author of ikiwiki, though not of its excellent git backend :-P\n"},{"id":"131750","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001152013440.3106@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100115171752.GA8182@gnu.kitenet.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-15T19:16:19Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-15T19:16:19Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 15 Jan 2010, Joey Hess wrote:\n\n> Petr Baudis wrote:\n> > \t(ii) Also, I personally think MediaWiki is so much nicer than\n> > \tikiwiki...\n> \n> This seems like a non-sequitor, since the git wiki is not using, and\n> afaik, has never used ikiwiki.\n\nIt was using MoinMoin, but of course there were thoughts of migrating to \nsomething that uses Git as a backend.\n\nThis comment is most likely Pasky's attempt to explain why this is not \ngoing to happen, and I agree with the decision (not that I have much say \nthere).\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"131809","messageId":"4B50F7DB.7020204@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B4F68E8.5050809@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-15T23:18:51Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-15T23:18:51Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\nsimple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\nwant to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\nconsidered a show stopper?\n\nI do know that there's some table formatting stuff that I need to look\ninto, but there aren't that many tables on the wiki and those can likely\nbe cleaned by hand now.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131810","messageId":"fabb9a1e1001151521s1837b3d5o2a35cb5bb35c8038@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B50F7DB.7020204@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-01-15T23:21:18Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-15T23:21:18Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 00:18, J.H. wrote:\n> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n> considered a show stopper?\n\nI'd say it's pretty embarassing if our FAQ [0] is broken. Don't have\nthe time to fix it manually atm though :(.\n\n[0] http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"131815","messageId":"7vska7rkr0.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"fabb9a1e1001151521s1837b3d5o2a35cb5bb35c8038@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2010-01-15T23:50:11Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-15T23:50:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Sverre Rabbelier writes:\n\n> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 00:18, J.H. wrote:\n>> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n>> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n>> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n>> considered a show stopper?\n>\n> I'd say it's pretty embarassing if our FAQ [0] is broken.\n\nMany \"< Heya,\n> \n> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 00:18, J.H. wrote:\n>> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n>> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n>> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n>> considered a show stopper?\n> \n> I'd say it's pretty embarassing if our FAQ [0] is broken. Don't have\n> the time to fix it manually atm though :(.\n> \n> [0] http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/GitFaq\n\nIf you can be more specific I can go through and fix it... There's some\nextraneous bits on the page that I haven't figured out what they were\nfor originally but most everything on the page seems to work fine for me...\n\nLike I said I'm not claiming it's completely 100% accurate in the\ntransition, but for a page that's 144K in size it looks like it's\npredominantly correct.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131819","messageId":"4B5102C6.3020709@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"7vska7rkr0.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-16T00:05:26Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T00:05:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/15/2010 03:50 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Sverre Rabbelier writes:\n> \n>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 00:18, J.H. wrote:\n>>> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n>>> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n>>> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n>>> considered a show stopper?\n>>\n>> I'd say it's pretty embarassing if our FAQ [0] is broken.\n> \n> Many \"< mechanical misconversion.\n> \n> John, thanks for doing this. If people fix things up manually, can they\n> expect their fixes will be kept from now on, iow, the changes will not be\n> overwritten by \"Ok, I found a much better mechanical conversion tool and\n> updated with the latest snapshot from the original wiki\" in the future?\n\nI have no intention of re-converting the data, so yes fixups will not be\nsquashed. I've got a small bot script right now that if there's a\nchange that needs to happen pretty universally across the entirety wiki\nit can be run (it's written in perl, reads in the page text, runs the\nconversion and re-uploads it), so if there's something that's\nparticularly repetitive people can get me some code that would fix the\nproblem.\n\nSo again short answer: I'm at the point where I'd rather clean-up what\nwe've got then try and re-import the data.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131821","messageId":"fabb9a1e1001151608k6911bcf8p854d97c2f2d46264@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B510217.8060200@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-01-16T00:08:20Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T00:08:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:02, J.H. wrote:\n> If you can be more specific I can go through and fix it...\n\n>From the original faq:\n\n<>\n\nIs translated to\n\n<<[[GitLink]](git-name, Because Linus is an egotistical git}}\n\nBut should instead be turned into a comment (from the source of the faq):\n\n\n\n> There's some\n> extraneous bits on the page that I haven't figured out what they were\n> for originally but most everything on the page seems to work fine for me...\n\nWe're probably referring to the same then :).\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"131822","messageId":"7v3a26rjq9.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"fabb9a1e1001151608k6911bcf8p854d97c2f2d46264@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2010-01-16T00:12:14Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T00:12:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Sverre Rabbelier writes:\n\n> From the original faq:\n>\n> <>\n>\n> Is translated to\n>\n> <<[[GitLink]](git-name, Because Linus is an egotistical git}}\n>\n> But should instead be turned into a comment (from the source of the faq):\n>\n> \n>\n>> There's some\n>> extraneous bits on the page that I haven't figured out what they were\n>> for originally but most everything on the page seems to work fine for me...\n>\n> We're probably referring to the same then :).\n\nIIRC, they are read by gitbot listening to #git channel at freenode, so\nthat people can say \"faq git-name\" and such to summon a response.\n"},{"id":"131823","messageId":"4B51082B.5030508@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"fabb9a1e1001151608k6911bcf8p854d97c2f2d46264@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-16T00:28:27Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T00:28:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/15/2010 04:08 PM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> Heya,\n> \n> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:02, J.H. wrote:\n>> If you can be more specific I can go through and fix it...\n> \n>>From the original faq:\n> \n> <>\n> \n> Is translated to\n> \n> <<[[GitLink]](git-name, Because Linus is an egotistical git}}\n> \n> But should instead be turned into a comment (from the source of the faq):\n> \n> \n> \n>> There's some\n>> extraneous bits on the page that I haven't figured out what they were\n>> for originally but most everything on the page seems to work fine for me...\n> \n> We're probably referring to the same then :).\n\nProbably, should be fixed now, found it on GitBot too.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131826","messageId":"fabb9a1e1001151644n65577c99qe41327b66de28114@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B51082B.5030508@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-01-16T00:44:44Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T00:44:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:28, J.H. wrote:\n>> \n>\n> Probably, should be fixed now, found it on GitBot too.\n\nI guess you removed them rather than turning them in to comments\n(probably due to MediaWiki's lake of comments)? Works for me, we can\nfigure out something else for gitbot. A regular text file that it can\nslurp or something. We being Pieter perhaps (as he is the original author)?\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"131840","messageId":"4B5113FD.9020004@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"fabb9a1e1001151644n65577c99qe41327b66de28114@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-16T01:18:53Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T01:18:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/15/2010 04:44 PM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> Heya,\n> \n> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:28, J.H. wrote:\n>>> \n>>\n>> Probably, should be fixed now, found it on GitBot too.\n> \n> I guess you removed them rather than turning them in to comments\n> (probably due to MediaWiki's lake of comments)? Works for me, we can\n> figure out something else for gitbot. A regular text file that it can\n> slurp or something. We being Pieter perhaps (as he is the original author)?\n> \n\nThe templates giving me a PITA trying to get it to actually generate a\ncomment, easiest thing might be to hide it in the span or something, or\nadd the comments in manually.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"131866","messageId":"20100116101705.GA28821@localhost","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B5113FD.9020004@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Clemens Buchacher","fromEmail":"drizzd@aon.at","sentAt":"2010-01-16T10:17:05Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-16T10:17:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"drizzd@gmx.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/59082?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 05:18:53PM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> On 01/15/2010 04:44 PM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 01:28, J.H. wrote:\n> >>> \n> >>\n> >> Probably, should be fixed now, found it on GitBot too.\n> > \n> > I guess you removed them rather than turning them in to comments\n> > (probably due to MediaWiki's lake of comments)? Works for me, we can\n> > figure out something else for gitbot. A regular text file that it can\n> > slurp or something. We being Pieter perhaps (as he is the original author)?\n> > \n> \n> The templates giving me a PITA trying to get it to actually generate a\n> comment, easiest thing might be to hide it in the span or something, or\n> add the comments in manually.\n> \n\nWhile we are at it, it would be good to put gitlink's past the section\nname, so that it is available when using section editing (the lack of which\nwas a huge PITA in moinmoin).\n\nAlso, it would be better to actually show the gitlink name and comment with\nthe regular content. Maybe using a special tag which makes it look like a\ncomment. For example\n\n == Why won't I see changes in the remote repo after \"git push\"? ==\n {{gitlink|non-bare|Pushing to non-bare repositories is discouraged}}\n\nwhich gets translated to\n\n
\n non-bare -- Pushing to non-bare repositories is discouraged\n
\n\nClemens\n"},{"id":"131942","messageId":"vpqwrzhszye.fsf@bauges.imag.fr","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B50F7DB.7020204@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Matthieu Moy","fromEmail":"matthieu.moy@grenoble-inp.fr","sentAt":"2010-01-17T12:00:57Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-17T12:00:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"matthieu.moy@grenoble-inp.fr","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/72c8a2705971a25dfaff23cece15130d405685845d911aedd5667ace277f3fc5?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"\"J.H.\" writes:\n\n> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n> considered a show stopper?\n\nThe main page is locked, and there are some broken links formatting in\nthe News section: http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page#News\nI'm user \"Moy\" there if you want to let me fix them.\n\nYou should set $wgLogo to some Git logo, among\nhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos\n\nYou can also add a few links to the sidebar, by editting:\nhttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar\n\n(it seems I don't have permission to do it myself). I suggest taking\nthe ones of the front-page:\n\n* Starting points\n** Installation|Installation\n** InterfacesFrontendsAndTools|Git Tools\n** GitDocumentation|Git Documentation\n** GitCommunity|Git Community Support\n** GitProjects|Projects using Git\n** GitFaq|FAQ\n** GitHosting|Git Hosting\n** GitLinks|Git Links\n** GitComparison|Git Compared\n\n-- \nMatthieu Moy\nhttp://www-verimag.imag.fr/~moy/\n"},{"id":"131995","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001172357420.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"vpqwrzhszye.fsf@bauges.imag.fr","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-17T23:06:44Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-17T23:06:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Matthieu Moy wrote:\n\n> \"J.H.\" writes:\n> \n> > Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n> > simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n> > want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n> > considered a show stopper?\n> \n> The main page is locked, and there are some broken links formatting in\n> the News section: http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page#News\n> I'm user \"Moy\" there if you want to let me fix them.\n\nI think I managed to edit them.\n\n> You should set $wgLogo to some Git logo, among\n> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos\n\nBest would be the standard one: http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png but I would \nactually also like http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png.\n\n> You can also add a few links to the sidebar, by editting:\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar\n> \n> (it seems I don't have permission to do it myself).\n\nYou need to be in the Sysop list to do so. Warthog, if you trust me :-) \nwould you mind adding me to that group? You can do that by visiting\n\nhttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Userrights\n\nwhen you are a sysop.\n\n> I suggest taking the ones of the front-page:\n> \n> * Starting points\n> ** Installation|Installation\n> ** InterfacesFrontendsAndTools|Git Tools\n> ** GitDocumentation|Git Documentation\n> ** GitCommunity|Git Community Support\n> ** GitProjects|Projects using Git\n> ** GitFaq|FAQ\n> ** GitHosting|Git Hosting\n> ** GitLinks|Git Links\n> ** GitComparison|Git Compared\n\nLet's not forget\n\n* navigation\n** mainpage|mainpage-description\n** recentchanges-url|recentchanges\n** randompage-url|randompage\n** helppage|help\n* SEARCH\n* TOOLBOX\n\nBTW there is a file KHTMLFixes.css in the directory skins/monobook/ which \nmakes the layout break with Chromium. Apparently, it is no longer needed \nby KHTML anyway. So could you please replace that file with an empty one, \nor comment out the offending part, like so:\n\n\t/* #column-content { margin-left: 0; } */\n\nThank you,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"131997","messageId":"4B53AEAC.6060100@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001172357420.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-18T00:43:24Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-18T00:43:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/17/2010 03:06 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n> \n> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Matthieu Moy wrote:\n> \n>> \"J.H.\" writes:\n>>\n>>> Quick update - I think I've got the vast majority of the obvious and\n>>> simple to correct problems fixed at http://git.wiki.kernel.org anyone\n>>> want to run through and see if there's anything else that would be\n>>> considered a show stopper?\n>>\n>> The main page is locked, and there are some broken links formatting in\n>> the News section: http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page#News\n>> I'm user \"Moy\" there if you want to let me fix them.\n> \n> I think I managed to edit them.\n\nYou have to have a confirmed e-mail account to be able to edit anything,\nthe errors on why you can't edit are fairly straight forward.\n\n> \n>> You should set $wgLogo to some Git logo, among\n>> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos\n> \n> Best would be the standard one: http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png but I would \n> actually also like http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png.\n\nI'd leave that up to the greater community. The second one there would\nfit better on the page honestly, but I don't want to go making a logo\ndecision for the entirety of the project.\n\n> \n>> You can also add a few links to the sidebar, by editting:\n>> http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar\n>>\n>> (it seems I don't have permission to do it myself).\n> \n> You need to be in the Sysop list to do so. Warthog, if you trust me :-) \n> would you mind adding me to that group? You can do that by visiting\n> \n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Userrights\n> \n> when you are a sysop.\n\nDone.\n\n> \n>> I suggest taking the ones of the front-page:\n>>\n>> * Starting points\n>> ** Installation|Installation\n>> ** InterfacesFrontendsAndTools|Git Tools\n>> ** GitDocumentation|Git Documentation\n>> ** GitCommunity|Git Community Support\n>> ** GitProjects|Projects using Git\n>> ** GitFaq|FAQ\n>> ** GitHosting|Git Hosting\n>> ** GitLinks|Git Links\n>> ** GitComparison|Git Compared\n> \n> Let's not forget\n> \n> * navigation\n> ** mainpage|mainpage-description\n> ** recentchanges-url|recentchanges\n> ** randompage-url|randompage\n> ** helppage|help\n> * SEARCH\n> * TOOLBOX\n> \n> BTW there is a file KHTMLFixes.css in the directory skins/monobook/ which \n> makes the layout break with Chromium. Apparently, it is no longer needed \n> by KHTML anyway. So could you please replace that file with an empty one, \n> or comment out the offending part, like so:\n> \n> \t/* #column-content { margin-left: 0; } */\n\nI'm not keen on making changes since that file is still coming from the\nshipping version of mediawiki and I'm trying, quite a lot, to not run a\nmodified version of it. I've got enough troubles with the fact that\nthat one change would affect 22 wikis in a single go.\n\nAs bad as it is to say this, I'd rather wait for 1.16 to come out vs.\nmodify it in place. Mediawiki is claiming they are in continuous\nintegration development with quarterly releases but their last release\nwas June of 2009, so take that as you will.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"132023","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001181044410.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B53AEAC.6060100@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-18T09:53:15Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-18T09:53:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Sun, 17 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n\n> On 01/17/2010 03:06 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, Matthieu Moy wrote:\n> > \n> >> You should set $wgLogo to some Git logo, among \n> >> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitRelatedLogos\n> > \n> > Best would be the standard one: http://git.or.cz/git-logo.png but I \n> > would actually also like http://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png.\n> \n> I'd leave that up to the greater community. The second one there would \n> fit better on the page honestly, but I don't want to go making a logo \n> decision for the entirety of the project.\n\nWhy not set the logo to the second one, and at the same time start one of \nour famous bikeshedding fests? (Anyone answering to that question, please \nchange the subject to \"Wiki logo\".)\n\n> >> You can also add a few links to the sidebar, by editting: \n> >> http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar\n> >>\n> >> (it seems I don't have permission to do it myself).\n> > \n> > You need to be in the Sysop list to do so. Warthog, if you trust me :-) \n> > would you mind adding me to that group? You can do that by visiting\n> > \n> > http://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Special:Userrights\n> > \n> > when you are a sysop.\n> \n> Done.\n\nThank you very much!\n\n> >> I suggest taking the ones of the front-page:\n> >>\n> >> * Starting points\n> >> ** Installation|Installation\n> >> ** InterfacesFrontendsAndTools|Git Tools\n> >> ** GitDocumentation|Git Documentation\n> >> ** GitCommunity|Git Community Support\n> >> ** GitProjects|Projects using Git\n> >> ** GitFaq|FAQ\n> >> ** GitHosting|Git Hosting\n> >> ** GitLinks|Git Links\n> >> ** GitComparison|Git Compared\n> > \n> > Let's not forget\n> > \n> > * navigation\n> > ** mainpage|mainpage-description\n> > ** recentchanges-url|recentchanges\n> > ** randompage-url|randompage\n> > ** helppage|help\n> > * SEARCH\n> > * TOOLBOX\n\nChanged as suggested.\n\n> > BTW there is a file KHTMLFixes.css in the directory skins/monobook/ \n> > which makes the layout break with Chromium. Apparently, it is no \n> > longer needed by KHTML anyway. So could you please replace that file \n> > with an empty one, or comment out the offending part, like so:\n> > \n> > \t/* #column-content { margin-left: 0; } */\n> \n> I'm not keen on making changes since that file is still coming from the\n> shipping version of mediawiki and I'm trying, quite a lot, to not run a\n> modified version of it. I've got enough troubles with the fact that\n> that one change would affect 22 wikis in a single go.\n> \n> As bad as it is to say this, I'd rather wait for 1.16 to come out vs. \n> modify it in place. Mediawiki is claiming they are in continuous \n> integration development with quarterly releases but their last release \n> was June of 2009, so take that as you will.\n\nFair enough. As long as Chromium has a fairly small share of the market, \nI think it is safe to tell everybody to wait a little until the side bar \nis no longer displayed at the left _below_ the main body text. AFAICT the \nproblem was solved with Wikipedia, so the next release should magically \nfix the issue.\n\nThanks,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"132030","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001181258540.3044@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001181044410.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-18T12:03:40Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-18T12:03:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n> \n> > On 01/17/2010 03:06 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> > \n> > > BTW there is a file KHTMLFixes.css in the directory skins/monobook/ \n> > > which makes the layout break with Chromium. Apparently, it is no \n> > > longer needed by KHTML anyway. So could you please replace that \n> > > file with an empty one, or comment out the offending part, like so:\n> > > \n> > > \t/* #column-content { margin-left: 0; } */\n> > \n> > I'm not keen on making changes since that file is still coming from \n> > the shipping version of mediawiki and I'm trying, quite a lot, to not \n> > run a modified version of it. I've got enough troubles with the fact \n> > that that one change would affect 22 wikis in a single go.\n> > \n> > As bad as it is to say this, I'd rather wait for 1.16 to come out vs. \n> > modify it in place. Mediawiki is claiming they are in continuous \n> > integration development with quarterly releases but their last release \n> > was June of 2009, so take that as you will.\n> \n> Fair enough. As long as Chromium has a fairly small share of the \n> market, I think it is safe to tell everybody to wait a little until the \n> side bar is no longer displayed at the left _below_ the main body text. \n> AFAICT the problem was solved with Wikipedia, so the next release should \n> magically fix the issue.\n\nActually, in a rare case of cleverness, I found out how to fix it (at \nleast for me, it works):\n\n\thttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Monobook.css\n\nOf course, this is only a work-around, and it will get broken once \nMonobook changes dimensions (or more). But hopefully Chromium will be \nfixed by then, extending the canvas into the negative arm of the x axis \nwhenever needed. And then I will happily delete the custom Monobook.css.\n\nThese are the things left that I would like to see soon:\n\n- add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n\n- use whatever logo (anything is better than the sunflower)\n\n- enable anonymous edits\n\n- a major cleanup of the broken autolinks and faulty formatting.\n\nThe latter point is probably the most tedious one, so I suggest that only \nthose get a vote on the logo who fix at least 3 pages.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"132043","messageId":"4B54ACBD.6000000@eaglescrag.net","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001181258540.3044@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"J.H.","fromEmail":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","sentAt":"2010-01-18T18:47:25Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-18T18:47:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"warthog19@eaglescrag.net","avatar":null},"body":"On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> Hi,\n> \n> On Mon, 18 Jan 2010, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n>>\n>>> On 01/17/2010 03:06 PM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n>>>\n>>>> BTW there is a file KHTMLFixes.css in the directory skins/monobook/ \n>>>> which makes the layout break with Chromium. Apparently, it is no \n>>>> longer needed by KHTML anyway. So could you please replace that \n>>>> file with an empty one, or comment out the offending part, like so:\n>>>>\n>>>> \t/* #column-content { margin-left: 0; } */\n>>>\n>>> I'm not keen on making changes since that file is still coming from \n>>> the shipping version of mediawiki and I'm trying, quite a lot, to not \n>>> run a modified version of it. I've got enough troubles with the fact \n>>> that that one change would affect 22 wikis in a single go.\n>>>\n>>> As bad as it is to say this, I'd rather wait for 1.16 to come out vs. \n>>> modify it in place. Mediawiki is claiming they are in continuous \n>>> integration development with quarterly releases but their last release \n>>> was June of 2009, so take that as you will.\n>>\n>> Fair enough. As long as Chromium has a fairly small share of the \n>> market, I think it is safe to tell everybody to wait a little until the \n>> side bar is no longer displayed at the left _below_ the main body text. \n>> AFAICT the problem was solved with Wikipedia, so the next release should \n>> magically fix the issue.\n> \n> Actually, in a rare case of cleverness, I found out how to fix it (at \n> least for me, it works):\n> \n> \thttp://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/MediaWiki:Monobook.css\n> \n> Of course, this is only a work-around, and it will get broken once \n> Monobook changes dimensions (or more). But hopefully Chromium will be \n> fixed by then, extending the canvas into the negative arm of the x axis \n> whenever needed. And then I will happily delete the custom Monobook.css.\n\nThat works.\n\n> These are the things left that I would like to see soon:\n> \n> - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n\nI think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up\n1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n\n> - use whatever logo (anything is better than the sunflower)\n\nIt's easy enough to change just need to know which one to use.\n\n> - enable anonymous edits\n\nAnonymous edits will *NEVER* be enabled. You are going to need to have\nan account and your going to have to verify it's e-mail to be able to do\neits. Completely anonymous edits are too much of a risk considering\nbots and spam and the abuse they can do.\n\nEven then there is at least one case of a spammer actually going through\nand using a verified account.\n\n> - a major cleanup of the broken autolinks and faulty formatting.\n> \n> The latter point is probably the most tedious one, so I suggest that only \n> those get a vote on the logo who fix at least 3 pages.\n\nsound fair to me.\n\n- John 'Warthog9' Hawley\n"},{"id":"132046","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001182141270.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B54ACBD.6000000@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-18T20:46:09Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-18T20:46:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 18 Jan 2010, J.H. wrote:\n\n> On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > These are the things left that I would like to see soon:\n> > \n> > - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n> \n> I think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up \n> 1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n\nWonderful.\n\n> > - use whatever logo (anything is better than the sunflower)\n> \n> It's easy enough to change just need to know which one to use.\n\nSee below.\n\n> > - enable anonymous edits\n> \n> Anonymous edits will *NEVER* be enabled. You are going to need to have\n> an account and your going to have to verify it's e-mail to be able to do\n> eits. Completely anonymous edits are too much of a risk considering\n> bots and spam and the abuse they can do.\n> \n> Even then there is at least one case of a spammer actually going through\n> and using a verified account.\n\nThat's good news. Every couple of days I would look through the recent \nchanges, and sadly enough, there were many spammings on the GitWiki. No \nmore!\n\n> > - a major cleanup of the broken autolinks and faulty formatting.\n> > \n> > The latter point is probably the most tedious one, so I suggest that \n> > only those get a vote on the logo who fix at least 3 pages.\n> \n> sound fair to me.\n\nI think I qualify. My vote goes for \nhttp://henrik.nyh.se/uploads/git-logo.png, as it is really pretty. If you \nagree, and put in your vote, too, you can already set it until the \nbikeshedding has settled down ;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"132335","messageId":"20100121213514.GD3299@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B54ACBD.6000000@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-01-21T21:35:14Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-21T21:35:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:47:25AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> > - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n> \n> I think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up\n> 1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n\nrepo.or.cz migration to new server is now finished and on the new\nsystem, I chose to not even install moinwiki at all. Instead, I've\ninstalled a rewrite rule so all http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/ accesses are\nsent to the appropriate place of http://git.wiki.kernel.org/ - thus,\nthat's the master copy of git wiki now. :-) Thanks a lot for stepping up\nto do this, J.H.!\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nA lot of people have my books on their bookshelves.\nThat's the problem, they need to read them. -- Don Knuth\n"},{"id":"132342","messageId":"m3vdevat3m.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"20100121213514.GD3299@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2010-01-22T00:21:22Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-22T00:21:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Petr Baudis writes:\n> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:47:25AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> > On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> > > - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n> > \n> > I think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up\n> > 1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n> \n> repo.or.cz migration to new server is now finished and on the new\n> system, I chose to not even install moinwiki at all. Instead, I've\n> installed a rewrite rule so all http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/ accesses are\n> sent to the appropriate place of http://git.wiki.kernel.org/ - thus,\n> that's the master copy of git wiki now. :-) \n\nAre all formatting bugs from MoinMoin + media4moin -> MediaWiki fixed?\nIf not, then it would be good to have reference read-only copy of old\nMoinMoin-based wiki to compare against.\n\n> Thanks a lot for stepping up to do this, J.H.!\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"132345","messageId":"20100122003116.GX25382@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"m3vdevat3m.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-01-22T00:31:16Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-22T00:31:16Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 04:21:22PM -0800, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> Petr Baudis writes:\n> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:47:25AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> > > On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > > > - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n> > > \n> > > I think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up\n> > > 1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n> > \n> > repo.or.cz migration to new server is now finished and on the new\n> > system, I chose to not even install moinwiki at all. Instead, I've\n> > installed a rewrite rule so all http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/ accesses are\n> > sent to the appropriate place of http://git.wiki.kernel.org/ - thus,\n> > that's the master copy of git wiki now. :-) \n> \n> Are all formatting bugs from MoinMoin + media4moin -> MediaWiki fixed?\n> If not, then it would be good to have reference read-only copy of old\n> MoinMoin-based wiki to compare against.\n\nI'm not sure about the current state, I didn't really have time to look\ncarefully, so if people will say they have concrete need for the\nreference read-only copy, I will set it up. But with the local hacks and\ncompletely new system, it won't be trivial, so I'd prefer not to do it\njust proactively.\n\n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\n"},{"id":"132346","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.1001220136370.4985@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"m3vdevat3m.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2010-01-22T00:39:29Z","receivedAt":"2010-01-22T00:39:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> Petr Baudis writes:\n> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:47:25AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> > > On 01/18/2010 04:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > > > - add a link from the old Wiki (with rewrite rules)\n> > > \n> > > I think the rewrites should be simple enough (the pages seem to line up\n> > > 1:1 easily enough) so all I would need to do is discuss this with Petr.\n> > \n> > repo.or.cz migration to new server is now finished and on the new\n> > system, I chose to not even install moinwiki at all. Instead, I've\n> > installed a rewrite rule so all http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/ accesses are\n> > sent to the appropriate place of http://git.wiki.kernel.org/ - thus,\n> > that's the master copy of git wiki now. :-) \n> \n> Are all formatting bugs from MoinMoin + media4moin -> MediaWiki fixed?\n\nNo. The big ones are GitSurvey pages (except for 2007) and the SoC pages. \nI went through all others, which means that maybe the occasional bug \nslipped through, but basically the pages are sound.\n\nWhich makes me think that I finally deserve to see Henrik Nyh's logo on \nthe Wiki.\n\n> If not, then it would be good to have reference read-only copy of old\n> MoinMoin-based wiki to compare against.\n\nIf it would not involve more work for Pasky, I would agree. But mainly \nthe work was done.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"134322","messageId":"20100212113835.GW9553@machine.or.cz","threadId":"22212","inReplyTo":"4B4EF1E0.3040808@eaglescrag.net","subject":"Re: [RFC] Git Wiki Move","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2010-02-12T11:38:35Z","receivedAt":"2010-02-12T11:38:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 02:28:48AM -0800, J.H. wrote:\n> Just a heads up I've got an initial import of the current wiki up at\n> http://git.wiki.kernel.org - some of it was quite a clean conversion,\n> some of it not so much. Please note that user accounts were not carried\n> over but edit histories were. I'll work on cleaning up the rest of if\n> tomorrow, assuming that there isn't any objections to Petr's e-mail\n> above. If there is I'm more than happy to drop the wiki if need be, but\n> I figured plowing ahead was reasonably easy and it at least gets the\n> ball rolling.\n\n It seems that there is no page in the Help: namespace, could you\nplease add the generic help pages there? (If that's the way it works\nin MediaWiki...) I used to be hyper-active wikipedia editor, but that\ntimes passed long ago and my memory got rusty.\n\n Thanks,\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nA great many people think they are thinking when they are merely\nrearranging their prejudices. -- William James\n"}]}