{"thread":{"id":"21837","subject":"git gsoc money","startedAt":"2009-12-03T05:22:20Z","lastAt":"2009-12-05T10:39:01Z","messageCount":7,"participants":["Jeff King","Greg A. Woods","Shawn O. Pearce","Junio C Hamano","Brandon Casey","Christian Couder"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"129102","messageId":"20091203052220.GA22582@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"git gsoc money","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-12-03T05:22:20Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-03T05:22:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"As a result of our participation in the Summer of Code project last\nsummer and this summer, Google gave the git community some money. Most\nof that money went to defraying travel costs to the SoC mentor summit\nand the GitTogether, both last year and this year.\n\nHowever, we still have about $500 USD remaining. Because of the way\nGoogle hands out the money (they want to deal with one entity per\nproject, and git has no legal entity), all of the remaining money is\nbeing held personally by me.\n\nFor accounting and tax reasons, I don't want to hold it later than Dec\n31st. So I am soliciting suggestions from the community on what to do\nwith the money.\n\nSome possibilities are:\n\n 1. Become an affiliated project of an organization like The Software\n Freedom Conservancy or Software in the Public Interest. These are\n non-profit groups to whom we (or anyone else who wants to, for that\n matter) can donate money earmarked for a particular project. They\n handle the accounting and hold the money, and then we get it out\n when we need it for something.\n\n Of course, then we still have the question of what that \"something\"\n is. So far, all money has been used for travel aid. Suggestions\n welcome.\n\n The upsides of this path are that it would handle the issue for\n future years, and it would make it easy for people to donate money\n to git if they wanted to. The downside is that the process may take\n a while, so it may not actually happen in the next month.\n\n Some relevant links for further reading:\n\n http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/overview/\n http://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/associated-project-howto.html\n\n 2. Donate the money to some non-profit (by the way, all discussion of\n taxes and non-profit here is with respect to the United States, as\n the money is being held in the US). Possible recipients include a\n software freedom organization like those listed above, or something\n not software-specific like the EFF. It might be nice to contribute\n to projects that help us build git, like curl, libxdiff, or\n asciidoc, but AFAIK we can't do so in a tax-exempt way. gcc/mingw\n is another candidate; we can probably donate to the Free Software\n Foundation for that.\n\nBasically I don't want to hold on to this money, I want it to go\nsomewhere useful, and I don't want to make a unilateral decision.\nPlease let me know what people think would be useful.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"129105","messageId":"m1NG6K0-000kn2C@most.weird.com","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091203052220.GA22582@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Greg A. Woods","fromEmail":"woods@planix.com","sentAt":"2009-12-03T07:41:49Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-03T07:41:49Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"woods@planix.com","avatar":null},"body":"I'm a newcomer here so don't pay too much attention to me.\n\nI would suggest that becoming associated with an existing non-profit\ngroup who do similar kinds of project and financial management for other\nsimilar projects would be the ideal option. There could be many\nbenefits further down the road other than just having them act as a bank.\n\nI've heard something good of spi-inc.org before, but\nsoftwarefreedom.org's web site looks a lot better in \"links\". :-)\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\t\t\tGreg A. Woods\n\t\t\t\t\t\tPlanix, Inc.\n\n +1 416 218 0099 http://www.planix.com/\n"},{"id":"129124","messageId":"20091203153935.GB23281@spearce.org","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091203052220.GA22582@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2009-12-03T15:39:35Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-03T15:39:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Jeff King wrote:\n> However, we still have about $500 USD remaining.\n> \n> Some possibilities are:\n> \n> 1. Become an affiliated project of an organization like The Software\n> Freedom Conservancy or Software in the Public Interest.\n\nTry to join the Software Freedom Conservancy and retain the funds\nfor Git's use? Maybe you can slide in before the Dec 31st deadline.\n\nI know a few users of Git have said they can't contribute code, but\nthey would like to throw $25-50 towards a developer to say thank you.\nThis would give them an easier vehicle to do that.\n\nI'm not saying we should actively seek donations, we have virtually\nno expenses and don't need them.\n\nBut we do sometimes have these GitTogether things, or one of us is\ngoing to a Linux Plumbers conference or something to give a talk\npromoting Git. Having $500 from a handful of donations available\nto defray Git related travel costs for some of our more active\ndevelopers is more useful than having a user send something from\nan Amazon wish list [1][2].\n\nAt worst, if we collect a bunch of money and realize \"Oh, wait,\nwe have like $8000 USD and we haven't spent any of it in the past\n5 years!\" we can have the SFC do a big donation to FSF or something\nand say \"thanks for GCC!\".\n\nIf joining the SFC proves too difficult, just donate the $500 to\nthe FSF. That's what we did the first year we were in GSoC.\n\n\n[1] At least, to me. My apartment isn't big enough for the crap\n I already own, I don't need more crap shipped to it.\n\n[2] This remark is due to a user on #git the other week wondering\n why I don't have an Amazon wish list, as he wanted to send me\n something to thank me for some feature I wrote eons ago.\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"129126","messageId":"7v1vjc6k0f.fsf@alter.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091203052220.GA22582@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2009-12-03T17:32:32Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-03T17:32:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Jeff King writes:\n\n> As a result of our participation in the Summer of Code project last\n> summer and this summer, Google gave the git community some money. Most\n> of that money went to defraying travel costs to the SoC mentor summit\n> and the GitTogether, both last year and this year.\n\nI have never been actively involved in SoC mentoring so my suggestion\nshouldn't count too much, but the SFC route sounds like a very reasonable\noption to me. Travel fund helped me a lot to attend last year's\nGitTogether, and it would be very handy to have such a community fund to\ncover part of costs when git people need to appear in events and\nconferences for the benefit of git community as a whole.\n"},{"id":"129175","messageId":"20091204121417.GA20682@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091203153935.GB23281@spearce.org","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-12-04T12:14:17Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-04T12:14:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:39:35AM -0800, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n\n> > 1. Become an affiliated project of an organization like The Software\n> > Freedom Conservancy or Software in the Public Interest.\n> \n> Try to join the Software Freedom Conservancy and retain the funds\n> for Git's use? Maybe you can slide in before the Dec 31st deadline.\n\nEverybody who responded seems to think that is a good idea, so I've\ncontacted the SFC about joining. I'll keep the list up to date as things\ndevelop there.\n\nI expect they'll need a liaison from the project. I can do that, but if\nsomebody else is interested, let me know.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"129204","messageId":"24r8x4QA-YeeHozJZid4zZzSATqzAQ6hK6SsZm3DEIugiRsQm2ATbQ@cipher.nrlssc.navy.mil","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091204121417.GA20682@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Brandon Casey","fromEmail":"brandon.casey.ctr@nrlssc.navy.mil","sentAt":"2009-12-04T16:57:53Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-04T16:57:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"brandon.casey.ctr@nrlssc.navy.mil","avatar":null},"body":"Jeff King wrote:\n> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 07:39:35AM -0800, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n> \n>>> 1. Become an affiliated project of an organization like The Software\n>>> Freedom Conservancy or Software in the Public Interest.\n>> Try to join the Software Freedom Conservancy and retain the funds\n>> for Git's use? Maybe you can slide in before the Dec 31st deadline.\n> \n> Everybody who responded seems to think that is a good idea, so I've\n> contacted the SFC about joining. I'll keep the list up to date as things\n> develop there.\n> \n> I expect they'll need a liaison from the project. I can do that, but if\n> somebody else is interested, let me know.\n\nNow that I've read the links that you mentioned, I too think this is a\ngood idea. I haven't been involved in SoC (though I benefited and much\nappreciated having my travel expenses reimbursed), so my opinion should\nbe weighted accordingly.\n\nIf there's anything I can do to help, Jeff, please let me know.\n\n-brandon\n"},{"id":"129261","messageId":"200912051139.01924.chriscool@tuxfamily.org","threadId":"21837","inReplyTo":"20091203153935.GB23281@spearce.org","subject":"Re: git gsoc money","fromName":"Christian Couder","fromEmail":"chriscool@tuxfamily.org","sentAt":"2009-12-05T10:39:01Z","receivedAt":"2009-12-05T10:39:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"christian.couder@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/208954?v=4"},"body":"On jeudi 03 décembre 2009, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n> Jeff King wrote:\n> > However, we still have about $500 USD remaining.\n> >\n> > Some possibilities are:\n> >\n> > 1. Become an affiliated project of an organization like The Software\n> > Freedom Conservancy or Software in the Public Interest.\n>\n> Try to join the Software Freedom Conservancy and retain the funds\n> for Git's use? Maybe you can slide in before the Dec 31st deadline.\n\nYeah, that would be a great. Thanks for doing that!\n\n> I know a few users of Git have said they can't contribute code, but\n> they would like to throw $25-50 towards a developer to say thank you.\n> This would give them an easier vehicle to do that.\n>\n> I'm not saying we should actively seek donations, we have virtually\n> no expenses and don't need them.\n>\n> But we do sometimes have these GitTogether things, or one of us is\n> going to a Linux Plumbers conference or something to give a talk\n> promoting Git. Having $500 from a handful of donations available\n> to defray Git related travel costs for some of our more active\n> developers is more useful than having a user send something from\n> an Amazon wish list [1][2].\n\nI benefited from the GSoC fund last year and much appreciated having my \ntravel expenses to go to the GitTogether reimbursed.\n\nBut I think it is ok too for developers to have an amazon wish list, so \ndonors can choose. And by the way Junio has one:\n\nhttp://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist/1513KNZE30W63\n\nso everyone is welcome to buy him something!\n\n> At worst, if we collect a bunch of money and realize \"Oh, wait,\n> we have like $8000 USD and we haven't spent any of it in the past\n> 5 years!\" we can have the SFC do a big donation to FSF or something\n> and say \"thanks for GCC!\".\n>\n> If joining the SFC proves too difficult, just donate the $500 to\n> the FSF. That's what we did the first year we were in GSoC.\n\nAnother way we could perhaps use the funds (especially if we have to do that \nbefore the end of the year) could be to defray membership costs if some \ndevelopers want to join (or are already member of) some related \norganisation like the Linux Foundation:\n\nhttp://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/individual/\n\nor the FSF:\n\nhttp://www.fsf.org/associate/\n\nBest regards,\nChristian.\n"}]}