{"thread":{"id":"21657","subject":"[ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","startedAt":"2009-11-18T08:33:23Z","lastAt":"2009-11-23T16:28:14Z","messageCount":17,"participants":["Intland Software","Petr Baudis","david@lang.hm","Jakub Narebski","Rakotomandimby Mihamina","Aron Gombas","Thomas Rast","Sitaram Chamarty"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"127828","messageId":"4B03B153.1020302@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-18T08:33:23Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-18T08:33:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":"codeBeamer MR is a new tool for teams working with Git, and striving for\nfast repository management and easy access control management.\nSetting up and maintaining ACL on top of Git is not trivial. With this\nweb based tool, you can *save a lot of boring and error-prone maintainenace\nwork*, and spend your time rather with coding.\n\nFEATURES\n* Starts and close projects and repositories in just seconds\n* Project-, group-, and role-based administration across multiple repositories\n* ACL on directory level\n* SSH authentication\n* Lightweight wiki, issue tracking and project management facilities\n* Web based\n* Remote API\n\nPRICE?\nIt is *free* (as in beer). No expiration.\n\nLEARN MORE & DOWNLOAD\nMore details, screenshots and downloads:\nhttp://www.intland.com/products/cb-mr/overview.html\n"},{"id":"127837","messageId":"20091118120936.GL17748@machine.or.cz","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B03B153.1020302@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2009-11-18T12:09:36Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-18T12:09:36Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:33:23AM +0100, Intland Software wrote:\n> codeBeamer MR is a new tool for teams working with Git, and striving for\n> fast repository management and easy access control management.\n> Setting up and maintaining ACL on top of Git is not trivial. With this\n> web based tool, you can *save a lot of boring and error-prone maintainenace\n> work*, and spend your time rather with coding.\n> \n> FEATURES\n> * Starts and close projects and repositories in just seconds\n> * Project-, group-, and role-based administration across multiple repositories\n> * ACL on directory level\n> * SSH authentication\n> * Lightweight wiki, issue tracking and project management facilities\n> * Web based\n> * Remote API\n> \n> PRICE?\n> It is *free* (as in beer). No expiration.\n> \n> LEARN MORE & DOWNLOAD\n> More details, screenshots and downloads:\n> http://www.intland.com/products/cb-mr/overview.html\n\nInteresting, thank you for the announcement; it would be good to note\nthat it's not open-source.\n\nI think a lot of people wonder now, how does this compare to existing\nsolutions; from your announcement I thought it's something like\nGitosis/Gitolite, but in fact it seems more similar to Gitorious or\nGitHub (if it was publicly available, of course); perhaps it would be\ngood idea to present comparison to these on the project homepage.\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nA lot of people have my books on their bookshelves.\nThat's the problem, they need to read them. -- Don Knuth\n"},{"id":"127842","messageId":"4B03F451.4050709@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"20091118120936.GL17748@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-18T13:19:13Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-18T13:19:13Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":" Thanks for your comments, Petr.\n\nPetr Baudis wrote:\n>> LEARN MORE & DOWNLOAD\n>> More details, screenshots and downloads:\n>> http://www.intland.com/products/cb-mr/overview.html\n> \n> Interesting, thank you for the announcement; it would be good to note\n> that it's not open-source.\n That's right, codeBeamer MR is not open source.\n More precisely: parts of the source code are actually open, including\nthe wiki plugins and the remote clients, for instance. The core source\nis closed, because the same core is also used in our commercial offerings, and\nour commercial license doesn't (currently) allow publishing the\ncomplete code. We have quite some large customers from the defense space\nthat would not be happy if we opened everything ;)\n\n We are currently in the midst of rethinking our licensing scheme\nin general, to make things more liberal or to set up some kind of a\ndual license.\n\n> I think a lot of people wonder now, how does this compare to existing\n> solutions; from your announcement I thought it's something like\n> Gitosis/Gitolite, but in fact it seems more similar to Gitorious or\n> GitHub (if it was publicly available, of course); perhaps it would be\n> good idea to present comparison to these on the project homepage.\n Good point. More on this later.\n---\n Intland\n"},{"id":"127885","messageId":"alpine.DEB.2.00.0911182205590.5646@asgard.lang.hm","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B03F451.4050709@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"","fromEmail":"david@lang.hm","sentAt":"2009-11-19T06:06:33Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T06:06:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"david@lang.hm","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, 18 Nov 2009, Intland Software wrote:\n\n> More precisely: parts of the source code are actually open, including\n> the wiki plugins and the remote clients, for instance. The core source\n> is closed, because the same core is also used in our commercial offerings, \n> and\n> our commercial license doesn't (currently) allow publishing the\n> complete code. We have quite some large customers from the defense space\n> that would not be happy if we opened everything ;)\n\nare you sure? did you see the recent memo about OpenSource by the DOD?\n\nDavid Lang\n\n> We are currently in the midst of rethinking our licensing scheme\n> in general, to make things more liberal or to set up some kind of a\n> dual license.\n>\n>> I think a lot of people wonder now, how does this compare to existing\n>> solutions; from your announcement I thought it's something like\n>> Gitosis/Gitolite, but in fact it seems more similar to Gitorious or\n>> GitHub (if it was publicly available, of course); perhaps it would be\n>> good idea to present comparison to these on the project homepage.\n> Good point. More on this later.\n> ---\n> Intland\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n>\n"},{"id":"127895","messageId":"4B0518A3.90903@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.2.00.0911182205590.5646@asgard.lang.hm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-19T10:06:27Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T10:06:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":" Hey David,\n\ndavid@lang.hm wrote:\n>> our commercial license doesn't (currently) allow publishing the\n>> complete code. We have quite some large customers from the defense space\n>> that would not be happy if we opened everything ;)\n> \n> are you sure? did you see the recent memo about OpenSource by the DOD?\n> David Lang\n Can you direct us to an URL please? Thanks.\n---\n Intland\n"},{"id":"127897","messageId":"m33a4adcbu.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B0518A3.90903@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-11-19T10:43:46Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T10:43:46Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Intland Software writes:\n\n> david@lang.hm wrote:\n\n>>> our commercial license doesn't (currently) allow publishing the\n>>> complete code. We have quite some large customers from the defense space\n>>> that would not be happy if we opened everything ;)\n>>\n>> are you sure? did you see the recent memo about OpenSource by the\n>> DOD?\n>\n> Can you direct us to an URL please? Thanks.\n\nIndirect links:\n * \"New DoD memo on Open Source Software\" (David A. Wheeler)\n http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/2009/10/27/#dod-oss-2009\n * \"Notes about the DoD and OSS memo\" (David A. Wheeler)\n http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/2009/10/28/#dod-oss-2009-notes\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"127898","messageId":"4B052E6A.7000701@gulfsat.mg","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B03F451.4050709@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Rakotomandimby Mihamina","fromEmail":"mihamina@gulfsat.mg","sentAt":"2009-11-19T11:39:22Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T11:39:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mihamina@gulfsat.mg","avatar":null},"body":"11/18/2009 04:19 PM, Intland Software::\n> We have quite some large customers from the defense space\n> that would not be happy if we opened everything\n\nI think they are just dumb.\nBut they pay you, so let's just say it's OK. :-)\n\n-- \n Architecte Informatique chez Blueline/Gulfsat:\n Administration Systeme, Recherche & Developpement\n +261 33 11 207 36\n"},{"id":"127900","messageId":"4B0536E3.8040200@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"m33a4adcbu.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Aron Gombas","fromEmail":"aron.gombas@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-19T12:15:31Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T12:15:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"aron.gombas@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":"Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> Intland Software writes:\n> \n>> david@lang.hm wrote:\n> \n>>>> our commercial license doesn't (currently) allow publishing the\n>>>> complete code. We have quite some large customers from the defense space\n>>>> that would not be happy if we opened everything ;)\n>>> are you sure? did you see the recent memo about OpenSource by the\n>>> DOD?\n>> Can you direct us to an URL please? Thanks.\n> \n> Indirect links:\n> * \"New DoD memo on Open Source Software\" (David A. Wheeler)\n> http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/2009/10/27/#dod-oss-2009\n> * \"Notes about the DoD and OSS memo\" (David A. Wheeler)\n> http://www.dwheeler.com/blog/2009/10/28/#dod-oss-2009-notes\nHmm, very interesting reading! Thanks a lot.\n---\nIntland\n"},{"id":"127901","messageId":"4B054D0A.5030802@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"20091118120936.GL17748@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-19T13:50:02Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T13:50:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":"Petr Baudis wrote:\n> I think a lot of people wonder now, how does this compare to existing\n> solutions; from your announcement I thought it's something like\n> Gitosis/Gitolite, but in fact it seems more similar to Gitorious or\n> GitHub (if it was publicly available, of course); perhaps it would be\nAll right, some quick comparisons with codeBeamer Managed Repository (MR).\n\n* MR against Gitosis\nIn terms of access control, MR has the concept of \"role\", and it makes our security model more fine grained. Permissions \ncan be set by role. One user account can have multiple roles. Roles are project-dependent. When you add a group to a \nproject, you can assign multiple roles to the group (which is equivalent with assigning those roles to each group member \none by one).\nOn the other hand, MR has a much broader scope than Gitosis. MR helps you to manage your repos, to track your \ntasks/bugs/issues, to follow commit activities, to browse repos in the web, can be extended using its APIs, etc. (And \nyou don't have to install and maintain Git extensions for this.)\n\n* MR against Gitolite\nPretty much the same applies here as well.\n\n* MR against GitHub & Gitorious\nProbably the most significant difference is that MR is available as free download, and can run behind your firewall.\nMR was derived from the source code of our commercial product codeBeamer. CodeBeamer is a full-blown enterprise \ncollaboration solution, thus MR is likely to focus more on the enterprise needs, not on the \"social\" aspect.\n"},{"id":"127902","messageId":"200911191502.00005.trast@student.ethz.ch","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B054D0A.5030802@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Thomas Rast","fromEmail":"trast@student.ethz.ch","sentAt":"2009-11-19T14:01:58Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T14:01:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tr@thomasrast.ch","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/153510?v=4"},"body":"Intland Software wrote:\n> * MR against GitHub & Gitorious\n> Probably the most significant difference is that MR is available as free download\n\nUmm... unlike Gitorious, you mean:\n\n http://gitorious.org/gitorious\n http://gitorious.org/gitorious/mainline/blobs/master/LICENSE\n\n-- \nThomas Rast\ntrast@{inf,student}.ethz.ch\n"},{"id":"127904","messageId":"4B05629A.5020500@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B05588B.5080501@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-19T15:22:02Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-19T15:22:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":" > Thomas Rast wrote:\n >> Intland Software wrote:\n >>> * MR against GitHub & Gitorious\n >>> Probably the most significant difference is that MR is available as\n >>> free download\n >>\n >> Umm... unlike Gitorious, you mean:\n >>\n >> http://gitorious.org/gitorious\n >> http://gitorious.org/gitorious/mainline/blobs/master/LICENSE\nI'm sorry, you're right: Gitorious is also available as download.\nThanks for spotting it, Thomas.\n---\nIntland\n"},{"id":"127975","messageId":"2e24e5b90911192056t706071ble163a53741017ef@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B054D0A.5030802@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Sitaram Chamarty","fromEmail":"sitaramc@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-11-20T04:56:32Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-20T04:56:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sitaramc@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/43316?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Intland Software wrote:\n> Petr Baudis wrote:\n>>\n>> I think a lot of people wonder now, how does this compare to existing\n>> solutions; from your announcement I thought it's something like\n>> Gitosis/Gitolite, but in fact it seems more similar to Gitorious or\n>> GitHub (if it was publicly available, of course); perhaps it would be\n>\n> All right, some quick comparisons with codeBeamer Managed Repository (MR).\n>\n> * MR against Gitosis\n\nI think you meant \"versus\" :-)\n\n> In terms of access control, MR has the concept of \"role\", and it makes our\n> security model more fine grained. Permissions can be set by role. One user\n> account can have multiple roles. Roles are project-dependent. When you add a\n> group to a project, you can assign multiple roles to the group (which is\n> equivalent with assigning those roles to each group member one by one).\n> On the other hand, MR has a much broader scope than Gitosis. MR helps you to\n> manage your repos, to track your tasks/bugs/issues, to follow commit\n> activities, to browse repos in the web, can be extended using its APIs, etc.\n> (And you don't have to install and maintain Git extensions for this.)\n\n> * MR against Gitolite\n> Pretty much the same applies here as well.\n\nConceptually, gitolite can do the roles stuff you mentioned,\nif I understood it correctly. Of course, gitolite's access\nconfig is in plain text.\n\nThe web-based control, issue tracking, etc., are all on a\ndifferent plane from what gitosis/gitolite aim to be. So\nmuch so that I might even disagree with Pasky on the need to\nmention these two products in your website. Here's one\nperspective (in round figures):\n\ngitolite: 1600 lines of shell+perl, 1600 lines of doc\ngitosis: 3300 lines of python\nMR: 150 MB binary download\n\nI don't honestly see any way to even *begin* to compare :-)\n\nYou should stick to gitorious, github, and -- here's a new\none for you -- indefero.\n\n-- \nSitaram\n"},{"id":"127980","messageId":"20091120074702.GW12890@machine.or.cz","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"2e24e5b90911192056t706071ble163a53741017ef@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Petr Baudis","fromEmail":"pasky@suse.cz","sentAt":"2009-11-20T07:47:02Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-20T07:47:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pasky@ucw.cz","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/18439?v=4"},"body":" Hi!\n\nOn Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:26:32AM +0530, Sitaram Chamarty wrote:\n> On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Intland Software wrote:\n> > * MR against Gitolite\n> > Pretty much the same applies here as well.\n> \n> Conceptually, gitolite can do the roles stuff you mentioned,\n> if I understood it correctly. Of course, gitolite's access\n> config is in plain text.\n> \n> The web-based control, issue tracking, etc., are all on a\n> different plane from what gitosis/gitolite aim to be. So\n> much so that I might even disagree with Pasky on the need to\n> mention these two products in your website.\n\nI brought Gitosis/Gitolite up because I got the impression that MR was\nmarketed primarily as a Git ACL tool, the other things being sort of\nmirror; maybe my impession was wrong, but I still think the comparison\nin ACL capabilities is useful.\n\n> You should stick to gitorious, github, and -- here's a new\n> one for you -- indefero.\n\nHmm, I didn't even know about this one, thanks for the pointer. Looks\nlike this suddenly is a very popular area. High competition is good!\n\n(BTW, if you don't care about wikis and issue tracking, but you do care\nabout simplicity and light-weightness, you should best stick to Girocco!\n;-)\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\tPetr \"Pasky\" Baudis\nA lot of people have my books on their bookshelves.\nThat's the problem, they need to read them. -- Don Knuth\n"},{"id":"127985","messageId":"4B06523A.4020004@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"20091120074702.GW12890@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-20T08:24:26Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-20T08:24:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":"Petr Baudis wrote:\n> Looks like this suddenly is a very popular area. High competition is good!\n Absolutely agreed!\n---\n Intland\n"},{"id":"128064","messageId":"2e24e5b90911210512g5ec26307te63d10912a7906fb@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"20091120074702.GW12890@machine.or.cz","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Sitaram Chamarty","fromEmail":"sitaramc@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-11-21T13:12:53Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-21T13:12:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sitaramc@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/43316?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Petr Baudis wrote:\n\n> I brought Gitosis/Gitolite up because I got the impression that MR was\n> marketed primarily as a Git ACL tool, the other things being sort of\n> mirror; maybe my impession was wrong, but I still think the comparison\n> in ACL capabilities is useful.\n\nSorry; didn't mean to imply you were wrong about that...\n\nBut the bulk of MR is probably the web based stuff, wiki, issues etc.,\nwhich means gitolite is way on the other side of the spectrum, so it\nfelt like any comparision is moot, and used the code/binary sizes to\nhighlight that.\n\nBut you said just the ACL capabilities... set me thinking...\n\nIntland: do you have a page that describes your role based ACL stuff a\nlittle more? I have a feeling that, modulo it all being in one text\nfile, gitolite can probably come close :-)\n\n>> You should stick to gitorious, github, and -- here's a new\n>> one for you -- indefero.\n>\n> Hmm, I didn't even know about this one, thanks for the pointer. Looks\n> like this suddenly is a very popular area. High competition is good!\n\nOh yeah, and indefero is actually looking pretty good -- I know some\nguys at $DAYJOB looking at it very seriously.\n\n> (BTW, if you don't care about wikis and issue tracking, but you do care\n> about simplicity and light-weightness, you should best stick to Girocco!\n> ;-)\n\n:-) yes it is nice, but again, at $DAYJOB access control (even to\nview projects) is a big deal. A very big deal, actually...!\n"},{"id":"128159","messageId":"4B0A5720.6020804@intland.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"2e24e5b90911210512g5ec26307te63d10912a7906fb@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Intland Software","fromEmail":"marketing@intland.com","sentAt":"2009-11-23T09:34:24Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-23T09:34:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marketing@intland.com","avatar":null},"body":"Sitaram Chamarty wrote:\n> Intland: do you have a page that describes your role based ACL stuff a\n> little more? \n This is a good starting point in our Knowledge Base, to read more about\nthe permission model used in MR:\n\n https://codebeamer.com/cb/wiki/11121\n\n-- \n Intland Team\n Follow @intland on Twitter: http://twitter.com/intland\n Find codeBeamer on Facebook: http://bit.ly/rcTuX\n"},{"id":"128175","messageId":"2e24e5b90911230828h199ae1ccv50d1fbdf50c91296@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"21657","inReplyTo":"4B0A5720.6020804@intland.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] codeBeamer MR - Easy ACL for Git","fromName":"Sitaram Chamarty","fromEmail":"sitaramc@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-11-23T16:28:14Z","receivedAt":"2009-11-23T16:28:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sitaramc@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/43316?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Intland Software wrote:\n> Sitaram Chamarty wrote:\n>>\n>> Intland: do you have a page that describes your role based ACL stuff a\n>> little more?\n>\n> This is a good starting point in our Knowledge Base, to read more about\n> the permission model used in MR:\n>\n> https://codebeamer.com/cb/wiki/11121\n\nThanks; I've read through that and the link to \"Working Sets\".\n\nModulo a bunch of *big* differences [*] in scale and scope between\ngitolite and MR, I'm fairly certain that working sets (groups of\nprojects), user roles, user groups, etc., can all be done using\ngitolite's group mechanism and its delegation feature.\n\nIt won't be as refined and nuanced as in MR, but in the main,\nmaintainable access control, which is the main point of all those\nfeatures, can be done.\n\n-- \nSitaram\n\n\n[*] these big differences are:\n\n - gitolite config is all in one text file versus whatever MR uses\n internally\n - gitolite only deals with the git repo for each project; MR does with\n all sorts of stuff outside the actual code repo\n - gitolite has no UI for the end user, MR clearly does, and the user\n can do a lot of stuff by themselves (like create new projects)\n - possibly many more I missed\n"}]}