{"thread":{"id":"20107","subject":"Truly decentralised use of git?","startedAt":"2009-07-14T08:11:18Z","lastAt":"2009-07-14T19:15:47Z","messageCount":8,"participants":["Kārlis Repsons","Santi Béjar","Alex Riesen","Theodore Tso"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"117938","messageId":"200907140811.24174.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Kārlis Repsons","fromEmail":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T08:11:18Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T08:11:18Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hello,\ngit is just great with its possibility of decentralised using, but how can it \nbe done, given, that participants are all across the internet? IPv6? How is \nit done with kernel?\n\nBest,\nKārlis\n"},{"id":"117947","messageId":"adf1fd3d0907140222t6762d4f7s417f56905492cbba@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"200907140811.24174.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Santi Béjar","fromEmail":"santi@agolina.net","sentAt":"2009-07-14T09:22:10Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T09:22:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"santi@agolina.net","avatar":null},"body":"2009/7/14 Kārlis Repsons :\n> Hello,\n> git is just great with its possibility of decentralised using, but how can it\n> be done, given, that participants are all across the internet? IPv6? How is\n> it done with kernel?\n\nI don't think \"truly decentralised\" is what you want[1]. For me, truly\ndecentralised is when all the repositories are equal, and in\nparticular there is no central repository to sync with.\n\nNormally there is a \"social\" central repository, be it controlled by\none person (like the linux kernel) or by multiple people (like the\ngnome git repositories). It does not mean it is not decentralised,\nmany people can (and do) have repositories spread across the internet\nand the central repository can be moved from one place to another.\n\nIn a \"truly decentralised\" setup, every repository can sync any other\nrepository. So you just provide a public repository and sync with the\nrest of repositories. It does not scale with a large number of\nrepositories, so it is easier just to declare some of the repositories\nas central (like the Linus' repository and the subsystem\nrepositories).\n\nIn the linux kernel setup, there is a central repository, Linus'\nrepository, with its public repository at kernel.org, and the\nsubsystem repositories (x86, mm, usb,...) normally at kernel.org but\nthey can be anywhere else. Everybody syncs with Linus' repository, and\nwhen you work in a specific subsystem you sync with the central one\nand/or the subsystem repository.\n\nHTH,\nSanti\n"},{"id":"117958","messageId":"200907141323.02151.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"adf1fd3d0907140222t6762d4f7s417f56905492cbba@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Kārlis Repsons","fromEmail":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T13:22:58Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T13:22:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tuesday 14 July 2009 09:22:10 you wrote:\n> 2009/7/14 Kārlis Repsons :\n> > Hello,\n> > git is just great with its possibility of decentralised using, but how\n> > can it be done, given, that participants are all across the internet?\n> > IPv6? How is it done with kernel?\n>\n> I don't think \"truly decentralised\" is what you want[1]. For me, truly\n> decentralised is when all the repositories are equal, and in\n> particular there is no central repository to sync with.\n>\n> Normally there is a \"social\" central repository, be it controlled by\n> one person (like the linux kernel) or by multiple people (like the\n> gnome git repositories). It does not mean it is not decentralised,\n> many people can (and do) have repositories spread across the internet\n> and the central repository can be moved from one place to another.\n>\n> In a \"truly decentralised\" setup, every repository can sync any other\n> repository. So you just provide a public repository and sync with the\n> rest of repositories. It does not scale with a large number of\n> repositories, so it is easier just to declare some of the repositories\n> as central (like the Linus' repository and the subsystem\n> repositories).\n>\n> In the linux kernel setup, there is a central repository, Linus'\n> repository, with its public repository at kernel.org, and the\n> subsystem repositories (x86, mm, usb,...) normally at kernel.org but\n> they can be anywhere else. Everybody syncs with Linus' repository, and\n> when you work in a specific subsystem you sync with the central one\n> and/or the subsystem repository.\n>\n> HTH,\n> Santi\n\nI am sorry, another thing was of my interest.\nMy unknown is the technical realisation - how can particular repository be \nmade available for easy pulling from it? Right now with IPv4 most normal \nworkstations are not accessible directly, because they are behind routers.\nThat situation should be better with IPv6, but I haven't tried to use it.\nI hope, question is now clarified.\n\nk.\n"},{"id":"117959","messageId":"81b0412b0907140634g6aeec60fib23d56d83ba09fb9@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"200907141323.02151.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Alex Riesen","fromEmail":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T13:34:37Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T13:34:37Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/324101?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 15:22, Kārlis Repsons wrote:\n> I am sorry, another thing was of my interest.\n> My unknown is the technical realisation - how can particular repository be\n> made available for easy pulling from it? Right now with IPv4 most normal\n> workstations are not accessible directly, because they are behind routers.\n\nSame as with the rest of all internet services: you either put the thing on\nan internet-facing address or poke a hole in your firewall.\n"},{"id":"117962","messageId":"20090714142140.GA6772@mit.edu","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"200907141323.02151.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Theodore Tso","fromEmail":"tytso@mit.edu","sentAt":"2009-07-14T14:21:40Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T14:21:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tytso@mit.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/51416?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 01:22:58PM +0000, Kārlis Repsons wrote:\n> \n> I am sorry, another thing was of my interest.\n> My unknown is the technical realisation - how can particular repository be \n> made available for easy pulling from it? Right now with IPv4 most normal \n> workstations are not accessible directly, because they are behind routers.\n> That situation should be better with IPv6, but I haven't tried to use it.\n> I hope, question is now clarified.\n\nThe easist thing to do is to set up and then push your repository to a\npublic git hosting site, such as repo.or.cz, gitorious.org, or\ngithub.com. Repositories are lightweight enough that all of these\noffer free repository hosting services.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t- Ted\n"},{"id":"117969","messageId":"200907141558.54044.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"81b0412b0907140634g6aeec60fib23d56d83ba09fb9@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Kārlis Repsons","fromEmail":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T15:58:49Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T15:58:49Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tuesday 14 July 2009 13:34:37 you wrote:\n> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 15:22, Kārlis Repsons \nwrote:\n> > I am sorry, another thing was of my interest.\n> > My unknown is the technical realisation - how can particular repository\n> > be made available for easy pulling from it? Right now with IPv4 most\n> > normal workstations are not accessible directly, because they are behind\n> > routers.\n>\n> Same as with the rest of all internet services: you either put the thing on\n> an internet-facing address or poke a hole in your firewall.\n\nWith IPv4 yes. I am using gitorious.org already.\nBut can IPv6 usage provide a way for git users to pull from one another \ndirectly?\n"},{"id":"117977","messageId":"81b0412b0907141109j697f4705s4cebd27b9694dac7@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"200907141558.54044.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Alex Riesen","fromEmail":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T18:09:32Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T18:09:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"raa.lkml@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/324101?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 17:58, Kārlis Repsons wrote:\n> But can IPv6 usage provide a way for git users to pull from one another\n> directly?\n\nYes. Wanna use that argument for IPv6 promotion?\n"},{"id":"117980","messageId":"200907141915.50929.Karlis.Repsons@gmail.com","threadId":"20107","inReplyTo":"81b0412b0907141109j697f4705s4cebd27b9694dac7@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Truly decentralised use of git?","fromName":"Kārlis Repsons","fromEmail":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-07-14T19:15:47Z","receivedAt":"2009-07-14T19:15:47Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"karlis.repsons@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tuesday 14 July 2009 18:09:32 you wrote:\n> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 17:58, Kārlis Repsons \nwrote:\n> > But can IPv6 usage provide a way for git users to pull from one another\n> > directly?\n>\n> Yes. Wanna use that argument for IPv6 promotion?\n\nOh, you made me curious about if there is anything more, that you could say \nabout the topic! :)\nActually, why not? I now recompile things and soon will start testing...\n"}]}