{"thread":{"id":"17859","subject":"First round of UGFWIINI results","startedAt":"2009-02-17T16:47:08Z","lastAt":"2009-04-22T10:52:57Z","messageCount":30,"participants":["Johannes Schindelin","Sverre Rabbelier","martin f krafft","Michael J Gruber","Mike Hommey","Sergio Callegari","Peter Krefting","Jakub Narebski","Reece Dunn","Junio C Hamano","Jeff King","Pieter de Bie"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"105176","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-02-17T16:47:08Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T16:47:08Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Dear fans of Git,\n\na while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\nhow to\n\n\tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n\nAs most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\nsurprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n\nI managed to collect 10 candidates already, and since I did all the hard\nwork of collating them, I took the liberty of ordering them into a very\nsubjective order of ugfwiininess (pronounced \"You-gah-wee-knee-ness\").\n\nPlease assist me while reading this mail by hitting your desk alternating\nbetween your two index fingers, increasing the frequency from 2 to 4 hertz\nthroughout the mail.\n\nReady? Okay.\n\nNumber 10:\n\nSergio Callegari describes how to manage opendocument (openoffice.org) files\nin git in\n\n\thttp://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2008/9/15/3305014\n\nWhile this might strike some of you as pretty lame, in my opinion it is still\nsomething Git was not intended for: Never mind the title \"stupid content\ntracker\", Git was clearly intended to track source code stored as small ASCII\nfiles; otherwise, 'git diff' would not be such an integral part of Git.\n\nNumber 9:\n\nTim Ansell talked about managing large media with Git at the GitTogether:\n\n\thttp://www.thousandparsec.net/~tim/media+git.pdf\n\nThis falls into the same category as number 10, but in addition it strains\nthe assumption of Git that you can easily fit the contents of a file into\nmemory, as well as the assumption that it is pretty easy (and meaningful)\nto make a diff from two versions of a file.\n\nNumber 8:\n\nAvery Pennarun explains his endeavor of tracking windows with git...\n\"If I get a virus, I can 'git revert' it.\"\nhttp://alumnit.ca/~apenwarr/log/?m=200901#21\n \nSverre remarks: \"It even beats the way we use Git to track the MSys\ninstallation in msysgit.git...\"\n\nThis is also related to Martin Krafft's idea to sort of replace the Debian\npackaging management by using Git, but...\n\nNumber 7:\n\n... actually does something like that: James Tucker implemented a port manager\nbased on Git:\n\n\thttp://github.com/raggi/source_ports\n\nNumber 6:\n\nDieter Plaetinck synchronizes Firefox profiles using Git:\n\n\thttp://dieter.plaetinck.be/rethinking_the_backup_paradigm_a_higher-level_approach\n\nNow, this even strains the definition of \"content\"...\n\nNumber 5:\n\nDavid Abrahams archiving a large number of files (and detecting duplicates)\nuses Git partly for something it _can_ do, but certainly was not intended to\ndo: identify duplicates.\n\n\thttp://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2009/1/27/4827304\n\nWhile the content-addressable filesystem has to deal with duplicates in the\n_time_ dimension very well (not many files are supposed to change from one\nrevision to the next one, so most of the files _are_ duplicated), dealing\nwith it in the _space_ dimension is not the purpose of Git, as can be seen\nby the lack of tool support for it (also keep in mind the absence of git-cp).\n\nNumber 4:\n\nJosef Wolf asks in <20090131123336.GA1702@raven.wolf.lan> (with a fully\nvalid Mail-Followup-To header) \"How to move subdirectories from one svn\nrepos to another.\"\n\n\"I would like to move a complete subdirectory with all its history from\none svn repository to another.\"\n\nNow, the ugfwiininess of this entry is definitely increased dramatically\nby Josef being inclined to go to Git _and back to Subversion_ again :-)\n\n(Imagine a cheeky smirk on the face of your host.)\n\nNumber 3:\n\nJan Krueger's Git cookbook uses a Git repository as a backend of a content\nmanagement system:\n\n\thttp://repo.zoidberg.org/w/git-articledb.git\n\thttp://gitrecipes.de/\n\nThis is related to the way my own blog works, but he was first. Credit\nwhere credit is due.\n\nNumber 2:\n\nAt the GitTogether, Sam Vilain presented his idea to use Git as a DB backend:\n\n\thttp://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-db\n\nJust think about it: committing by \"INSERT INTO\"!\n\nAnd now, ladies and gentlemen, please brace yourself for...\n\nNumber 1:\n\nScott Chacon's iGitHub: Running a git-daemon on an iPhone\n\n\thttp://github.com/schacon/igithub/\n\nThis is so awesome as to defeat any attempt to describe it.\n\n\nI hope you enjoyed the show, and see you again next time, on\n\n\tUsing Git For What It Is Not Intended\n\n(Now play your favorite jingle.)\n"},{"id":"105182","messageId":"bd6139dc0902170929g7215427clcf40348c01dfd10e@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-02-17T17:29:08Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T17:29:08Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:47, Johannes Schindelin\n wrote:\n> I managed to collect 10 candidates already, and since I did all the hard\n> work of collating them, I took the liberty of ordering them into a very\n> subjective order of ugfwiininess (pronounced \"You-gah-wee-knee-ness\").\n\nHow about using git to do a temporary 'svn stash'?\nIf you have changes in your svn working copy that you cannot commit\njust yet, but you want to check out an earlier revision for whatever\nreason, the current only solution in svn to that is to have a second\nworking copy. But no longer!\n$ cd path/to/svn/repo\n$ git init && git add . && git commit -m \"save svn state\"\n$ svn revert -R *\n$ svn update -r 42\n$ # do whatever you need to do here\n$ git reset --hard && rm .git\n\nDoes that qualify? ;)\n\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"105187","messageId":"20090217173957.GA22426@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"martin f krafft","fromEmail":"madduck@madduck.net","sentAt":"2009-02-17T17:39:57Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T17:39:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"madduck@madduck.net","avatar":null},"body":"also sprach Johannes Schindelin [2009.02.17.1747 +0100]:\n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> how to\n> \n> \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> \n> As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n\nA shame that I didn't see the contest start. I would have had\na number of cases to add using Git\n\n - to track your ~ (cf. http://vcs-home.madduck.net)\n - to track /etc (cf. http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/)\n - as the backend for a service like snapshot.debian.net\n - as a mail store and complete replacement of IMAP\n\nanyway, enter me for round 2!!\n\n\n\n> Avery Pennarun explains his endeavor of tracking windows with\n> git... \"If I get a virus, I can 'git revert' it.\"\n> http://alumnit.ca/~apenwarr/log/?m=200901#21\n> \n> Sverre remarks: \"It even beats the way we use Git to track the\n> MSys installation in msysgit.git...\"\n> \n> This is also related to Martin Krafft's idea to sort of replace\n> the Debian packaging management by using Git, but...\n\nI had this idea? Well, maybe something related: vcs-pkg.org, which\nis about using distributed VCS for distro package maintenance. More\nDebian-specific is my goal to replace source packages with services\nthat build straight from trees identified by Git tags, which I've\nwritten a bit about here:\n\n http://madduck.net/blog/2005.08.11:rcs-uploads/\n\nThis is up high on my list of todos, so expect more on this topic\nsoon.\n\nAnyway, thanks Johannes for the fun! :)\n\n-- \nmartin | http://madduck.net/ | http://two.sentenc.es/\n \n\"wenn elephanten tanzen leidet das gras.\"\n -- die vogelpredigt\n \nspamtraps: madduck.bogus@madduck.net\n"},{"id":"105192","messageId":"499AFB21.2030102@drmicha.warpmail.net","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"git@drmicha.warpmail.net","sentAt":"2009-02-17T18:00:01Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T18:00:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"To those wondering what happened to Dscho lately:\n\nIn Germany, there is this special time of the year called\nFasching/Karneval/Fasenacht/... (carneval) where even the most serious\npatch bashers may turn into funny pals ;)\n\nTo Dscho:\n\nGreat work, I hope you'll go on past Ash Wednesday!\n\nI'll work on my entry for the next contest, but the Top Ten are hard to\nbeat...\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"105194","messageId":"20090217180428.GA5664@glandium.org","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"20090217173957.GA22426@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Mike Hommey","fromEmail":"mh@glandium.org","sentAt":"2009-02-17T18:04:28Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T18:04:28Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mh@glandium.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1038527?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 06:39:57PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:\n> also sprach Johannes Schindelin [2009.02.17.1747 +0100]:\n> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> > how to\n> > \n> > \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> > \n> > As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> > surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n> \n> A shame that I didn't see the contest start. I would have had\n> a number of cases to add using Git\n> \n> - to track your ~ (cf. http://vcs-home.madduck.net)\n> - to track /etc (cf. http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/)\n> - as the backend for a service like snapshot.debian.net\n\nSpeaking of which I've done some initial testing a while ago\n(http://glandium.org/blog/?p=182) and done some archive-wide testing\nrecently for which I still have to gather data and post about.\n\nI also have some other use of git at work that I still have to post\nabout.\n\nCheers,\n\nMike\n"},{"id":"105196","messageId":"loom.20090217T174503-88@post.gmane.org","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Sergio Callegari","fromEmail":"sergio.callegari@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-02-17T18:34:03Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T18:34:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sergio.callegari@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/c98f41317e0422c1e630385de0e3970227b8e5ad15f35ba8586066467cc833bc?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"I've been feeling a bit ugfwiinic all the afternoon and I couldn't realize why,\nbut then I finally saw your post and I understood!\n\nBut Dscho, now I am sure that you missed that \"git diff -odf\" at the very core\nof git functionality that certainly Linus implemented on day one and that surely\ngot lost due to an unfortunate SHA clash! \n\nCiao\nSergio\n"},{"id":"105244","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902180049110.10279@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0902170929g7215427clcf40348c01dfd10e@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-02-17T23:49:26Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T23:49:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n\n> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:47, Johannes Schindelin\n> wrote:\n> > I managed to collect 10 candidates already, and since I did all the hard\n> > work of collating them, I took the liberty of ordering them into a very\n> > subjective order of ugfwiininess (pronounced \"You-gah-wee-knee-ness\").\n> \n> How about using git to do a temporary 'svn stash'?\n> If you have changes in your svn working copy that you cannot commit\n> just yet, but you want to check out an earlier revision for whatever\n> reason, the current only solution in svn to that is to have a second\n> working copy. But no longer!\n> $ cd path/to/svn/repo\n> $ git init && git add . && git commit -m \"save svn state\"\n> $ svn revert -R *\n> $ svn update -r 42\n> $ # do whatever you need to do here\n> $ git reset --hard && rm .git\n> \n> Does that qualify? ;)\n\nHeh, do you actually use it?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"105247","messageId":"bd6139dc0902171551u58365c0ao1e6b603b2efc603a@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902180049110.10279@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-02-17T23:51:14Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T23:51:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 00:49, Johannes Schindelin\n wrote:\n> Heh, do you actually use it?\n\nYup, at times when I need to work with an svn repository but cannot be\nbothered to rev up git-svn for it :).\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"105246","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902180049540.10279@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"20090217173957.GA22426@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-02-17T23:51:41Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-17T23:51:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 17 Feb 2009, martin f krafft wrote:\n\n> also sprach Johannes Schindelin [2009.02.17.1747 +0100]:\n> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> > how to\n> > \n> > \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> > \n> > As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> > surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n> \n> A shame that I didn't see the contest start. I would have had\n> a number of cases to add using Git\n> \n> - to track your ~ (cf. http://vcs-home.madduck.net)\n> - to track /etc (cf. http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/etckeeper/)\n> - as the backend for a service like snapshot.debian.net\n> - as a mail store and complete replacement of IMAP\n> \n> anyway, enter me for round 2!!\n\nSure!\n\nBut I deem the first two being trumped by the large media...\n\nIf you could point me to the IMAP thing, I'd be interested personally, as \nI use Git to track all my mails in maildir format.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n\n> > This is also related to Martin Krafft's idea to sort of replace the \n> > Debian packaging management by using Git, but...\n> \n> I had this idea? Well, maybe something related: vcs-pkg.org, which\n> is about using distributed VCS for distro package maintenance.\n\nYes, that's what I meant.\n\n> Anyway, thanks Johannes for the fun! :)\n\nYou're very welcome!\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"105435","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0902191129010.4879@ds9.cixit.se","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Peter Krefting","fromEmail":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","sentAt":"2009-02-19T10:32:44Z","receivedAt":"2009-02-19T10:32:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/990764?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin:\n\n> Number 10:\n> Sergio Callegari describes how to manage opendocument (openoffice.org) files\n\nWhich is very nice, it saved me several megabytes of disk space :-)\n\n> Git was clearly intended to track source code stored as small ASCII\n> files; otherwise, 'git diff' would not be such an integral part of\n> Git.\n\nStill, I have \"git diff\" working fine for OpenOffice Writer documents\nhere, using \"oodiff\" that I found somewhere I cannot remember...\n\nNow, if only OpenOffice could be told not to store the documents as zip\nfiles, but rather as a directory, I wouldn't have to fool Git using the\nrezipper. Or perhaps one should implement support in Git to store zip\nfiles expanded (and just create the .zip on checkout)?\n\nThen one could even merge conflicts between concurrent edits.\n\n-- \n\\\\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/\n"},{"id":"106812","messageId":"m3myc2ucfb.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-03T10:30:36Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T10:30:36Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> Dear fans of Git,\n> \n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> how to\n> \n> \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> \n> As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n\nErrr... URL (of a blog), please?\n\n\nAnother candidate for UGFWIINI contest: Gitorial. Here is explanation\n\n ...this presentation was captured in the Git revision control\n system. Every commit has a commit message that explains the 'next\n slide' of the presentation. People can then view diffs between\n commits to quickly see what changed.\n\nWell, it uses GitHub, not only Git, but...\n\nhttp://github.com/blog/367-clojure-gitorial\nhttp://larrytheliquid.com/2009/03/02/presenting-clojure-with-a-gitorial\n\n........................................................................\n\nAnd similar thing: Homoiconic. Here is explanation\n\n Homoiconic is an experiment in publishing code and words about code\n on a small scale.\n\n When I write, I will add files to the homoiconic git repository,\n organized by date. Code will be included in the posts and also in\n the folder with the posts that discuss them, so it's easy to\n download what you like. You can even download the entire thing as an\n archive if you want.\n\nhttp://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"106818","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031219570.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"m3myc2ucfb.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T11:20:25Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T11:20:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> Another candidate for UGFWIINI contest: Gitorial. Here is explanation\n> \n> ...this presentation was captured in the Git revision control\n> system. Every commit has a commit message that explains the 'next\n> slide' of the presentation. People can then view diffs between\n> commits to quickly see what changed.\n> \n> Well, it uses GitHub, not only Git, but...\n> \n> http://github.com/blog/367-clojure-gitorial\n> http://larrytheliquid.com/2009/03/02/presenting-clojure-with-a-gitorial\n> \n> ........................................................................\n> \n> And similar thing: Homoiconic. Here is explanation\n> \n> Homoiconic is an experiment in publishing code and words about code\n> on a small scale.\n> \n> When I write, I will add files to the homoiconic git repository,\n> organized by date. Code will be included in the posts and also in\n> the folder with the posts that discuss them, so it's easy to\n> download what you like. You can even download the entire thing as an\n> archive if you want.\n> \n> http://github.com/raganwald/homoiconic\n\nDefinitely. Both are registered for the next round.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"106846","messageId":"3f4fd2640903030709r6e585d9j57ad3ae08cf38df1@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Reece Dunn","fromEmail":"msclrhd@googlemail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-03T15:09:50Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T15:09:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"msclrhd@googlemail.com","avatar":null},"body":"2009/2/17 Johannes Schindelin :\n> Dear fans of Git,\n>\n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> how to\n>\n>        Use Git For What It Is Not Indended\n\nDoes using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n(short story, novel, ...) count?\n\nThis is similar to the ODF <-> Git entry. Now all that needs to happen\nis to replace the ZIP format with a git repository and create a plugin\nfor an ODF reader that makes git calls when doing the content tracking\nchecks.\n\n- Reece\n"},{"id":"106859","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031658180.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"3f4fd2640903030709r6e585d9j57ad3ae08cf38df1@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T15:59:27Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T15:59:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Reece Dunn wrote:\n\n> 2009/2/17 Johannes Schindelin :\n> > Dear fans of Git,\n> >\n> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> > how to\n> >\n> >        Use Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> \n> Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n> (short story, novel, ...) count?\n\nI'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a proof \nthat you actually use Git that way ;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho"},{"id":"106861","messageId":"7vljrmd24n.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031658180.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2009-03-03T16:04:08Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T16:04:08Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Reece Dunn wrote:\n>\n>> 2009/2/17 Johannes Schindelin :\n>> > Dear fans of Git,\n>> >\n>> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n>> > how to\n>> >\n>> >        Use Git For What It Is Not Indended\n>> \n>> Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n>> (short story, novel, ...) count?\n>\n> I'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a proof \n> that you actually use Git that way ;-)\n\nAre you also in the contest, with your blog as one of the contenders?\n"},{"id":"106867","messageId":"20090303161543.GC32079@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031658180.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-03-03T16:15:43Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T16:15:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:59:27PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> > Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n> > (short story, novel, ...) count?\n> \n> I'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a proof \n> that you actually use Git that way ;-)\n\nIs it really that unusual? I've been keeping academic papers in git for\nyears (and CVS before that -- blech), and I'm sure I'm not alone. Of\ncourse I'm writing in LaTeX, which is arguably a programming language. ;)\n\nBTW, --color-words is indispensable when dealing with things that aren't\nline-oriented.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"106874","messageId":"fabb9a1e0903030826p7caa17e3m45789026d51a2f8e@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"7vljrmd24n.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-03T16:26:31Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T16:26:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 17:04, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Are you also in the contest, with your blog as one of the contenders?\n\nI remember Dscho saying anything mentioned in the announcement does\nnot count, but upon later inspection of the original post I cannot\nfind it...?\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"106891","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031826060.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"20090303161543.GC32079@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:27:27Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:27:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jeff King wrote:\n\n> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:59:27PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > > Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n> > > (short story, novel, ...) count?\n> > \n> > I'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a proof \n> > that you actually use Git that way ;-)\n> \n> Is it really that unusual? I've been keeping academic papers in git for\n> years (and CVS before that -- blech), and I'm sure I'm not alone.\n\nCount me in.\n\nI am interested in reading Reece's short stories, though.\n\n> Of course I'm writing in LaTeX, which is arguably a programming \n> language. ;)\n> \n> BTW, --color-words is indispensable when dealing with things that aren't\n> line-oriented.\n\nGuess three times why I wrote --color-words...\n\nYou guessed it. Academic papers written in LaTeX.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"106892","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031827340.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"7vljrmd24n.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:28:54Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:28:54Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n\n> Johannes Schindelin writes:\n> \n> > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Reece Dunn wrote:\n> >\n> >> 2009/2/17 Johannes Schindelin :\n> >> > Dear fans of Git,\n> >> >\n> >> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of \n> >> > ideas how to\n> >> >\n> >> >     Use Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> >> \n> >> Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document \n> >> (short story, novel, ...) count?\n> >\n> > I'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a \n> > proof that you actually use Git that way ;-)\n> \n> Are you also in the contest, with your blog as one of the contenders?\n\nAs I am the jury, I decided to pretend that I have some decency left by \nnot putting my own Git crim^Wuses into the contest...\n\n;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"106893","messageId":"3f4fd2640903030931v476ed993vd5da0839c7bb3a31@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031826060.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Reece Dunn","fromEmail":"msclrhd@googlemail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:31:57Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:31:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"msclrhd@googlemail.com","avatar":null},"body":"2009/3/3 Johannes Schindelin :\n> Hi,\n>\n> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jeff King wrote:\n>\n>> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:59:27PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n>>\n>> > > Does using Git to track edits when proofreading a html/text document\n>> > > (short story, novel, ...) count?\n>> >\n>> > I'll count it, but I want (read-only) access to the repository as a proof\n>> > that you actually use Git that way ;-)\n>>\n>> Is it really that unusual? I've been keeping academic papers in git for\n>> years (and CVS before that -- blech), and I'm sure I'm not alone.\n>\n> Count me in.\n>\n> I am interested in reading Reece's short stories, though.\n\nI am not writing them (at the moment :)). I am just using git to\nproofread stories by other people.\n\n- Reece\n"},{"id":"106894","messageId":"20090303173417.GA1243@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031826060.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:34:17Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:34:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:27:27PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> I am interested in reading Reece's short stories, though.\n\nI can only hope that they're git-themed (Linus fan-fiction?).\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"106895","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031835420.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"fabb9a1e0903030826p7caa17e3m45789026d51a2f8e@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:36:46Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:36:46Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n\n> Heya,\n> \n> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 17:04, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> > Are you also in the contest, with your blog as one of the contenders?\n> \n> I remember Dscho saying anything mentioned in the announcement does\n> not count, but upon later inspection of the original post I cannot\n> find it...?\n\nI thought so, too, but from the git log it does not seem like it. Of \ncourse, I sneakily rewrote history from time to time (so it should be \nin git log -g, but that computer is at home) ;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"106898","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903031849020.6399@intel-tinevez-2-302","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"20090303173417.GA1243@coredump.intra.peff.net","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-03T17:49:25Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-03T17:49:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Jeff King wrote:\n\n> On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 06:27:27PM +0100, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> \n> > I am interested in reading Reece's short stories, though.\n> \n> I can only hope that they're git-themed (Linus fan-fiction?).\n\nNo, that is an intended purpose of Git. To worship Linus.\n\nThus, it would not qualify.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"107260","messageId":"m3eixai1xv.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"m3myc2ucfb.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-07T00:56:25Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-07T00:56:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Jakub Narebski writes:\n> Johannes Schindelin writes:\n> \n> > Dear fans of Git,\n> > \n> > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> > how to\n> > \n> > \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> > \n> > As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> > surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n[...]\n \n> Another candidate for UGFWIINI contest: Gitorial. Here is explanation\n\n> And similar thing: Homoiconic. Here is explanation\n\nAnd here is yet another UGFWINII candidate: Flashbake. \nHere is explanation:\n\n Flashbake is a set of Python scripts that check your hot files for\n changes every 15 minutes, and checks in any changed files to a local\n git repository. Flashbake records any changes made since the last\n check, annotating them with the current timezone on the\n system-clock, the weather in that timezone as fetched from Google,\n and the last three headlines with your by-line under them in your\n blog's RSS feed (I've been characterizing this as \"Where am I,\n what's it like there, and what am I thinking about?\"). It also\n records your computer's uptime.\n\n It is intendend illuminate the creative process in a way that often\n reveals the hidden stories behind the books we care about.\n\nReferences:\n===========\n[1] \"Flashbake: Free version-control for writers using git\"\n by Cory Doctorow describes insporation for Flashbake\n http://www.boingboing.net/2009/02/13/flashbake-free-versi.html\n http://craphound.com/?p=2171\n[2] \"Cory Doctorow on Lifestreaming Contextual Snapshots Using New\n Tool Flashbake\" by Mark Krynsky\n http://lifestreamblog.com/cory-doctorow-on-lifestreaming-contextual-snapshots-using-new-tool-flashbake/\n[3] Flashbake announcement on its author blog\n http://thecommandline.net/2009/02/13/flashbake/\n[3] Flashbake home page\n http://bitbucketlabs.net/flashbake/\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"107266","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903070340370.10279@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"m3eixai1xv.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-07T02:40:55Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-07T02:40:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> Jakub Narebski writes:\n> > Johannes Schindelin writes:\n> > \n> > > Dear fans of Git,\n> > > \n> > > a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> > > how to\n> > > \n> > > \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> > > \n> > > As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> > > surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n> [...]\n> \n> > Another candidate for UGFWIINI contest: Gitorial. Here is explanation\n> \n> > And similar thing: Homoiconic. Here is explanation\n> \n> And here is yet another UGFWINII candidate: Flashbake. \n\nThanks. Accepted.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"107666","messageId":"m3wsawgxto.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-11T10:27:05Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-11T10:27:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> Dear fans of Git,\n> \n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> how to\n> \n> \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n\n[...]\n> Number 2:\n> \n> At the GitTogether, Sam Vilain presented his idea to use Git as a DB backend:\n> \n> \thttp://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-db\n> \n> Just think about it: committing by \"INSERT INTO\"!\n\nAnd something very similar: \"Using Git as a versioned data store\nin Python\" by John Wiegley (similar to 'shelve' which uses database)\n\n http://www.newartisans.com/2008/05/using-git-as-a-versioned-data-store-in-python.html\n http://github.com/jwiegley/git-issues/\n\nAnd similar solution for Ruby\n\n http://github.com/georgi/git_store\n\nby the way of GitHub Blog: \n\n http://github.com/blog/374-git-as-a-data-store-in-python-and-ruby\n\n\nP.S. When there would be next round of UGFWIINI contest?\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"107678","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0903111308420.10279@pacific.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"m3wsawgxto.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2009-03-11T12:09:10Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-11T12:09:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> P.S. When there would be next round of UGFWIINI contest?\n\nWhenever I collected ten new participants... You are helping ;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"109655","messageId":"m37i2b2ecu.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-03-27T15:08:04Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-27T15:08:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> Dear fans of Git,\n> \n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of ideas\n> how to\n> \n> \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n> \n> As most of you probably did not find my blog yet, this may come as a\n> surprise to you, but it will not be the only surprise in this email.\n[...]\n\nNot exactly UGFWIINI yet, but:\n\n \"Music collaboration via git?\"\n http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1655-music-collaboration-via-git\n (sharing LilyPond source files for music notation).\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"109692","messageId":"20090328074205.GB9013@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"m37i2b2ecu.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-03-28T07:42:05Z","receivedAt":"2009-03-28T07:42:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 08:08:04AM -0700, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> Not exactly UGFWIINI yet, but:\n> \n> \"Music collaboration via git?\"\n> http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/1655-music-collaboration-via-git\n> (sharing LilyPond source files for music notation).\n\nI do something similar, though I am usually not writing in lilypond but\nrather in ABC or human-readable chord charts with accompanying lyrics.\nHowever, my band-mates are not git-literate, so I usually end up pulling\ntheir versions directly from email into the working tree, and then\ncommitting to git myself.\n\nFor added UGFWIINI, I also keep multitrack recording projects in the\nsame repo. Live single tracks are kept as pristine \"source\", and then\nare mixed down (with filters and effects added) into a final product.\nIt's even driven by make. ;)\n\nHowever, the source files are annoyingly large to work with in git, so I\nkeep them outside of the repo as immutable source and refer to them by\nunique name. Only the ways in which they are filtered or combined are in\nthe repo.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"111937","messageId":"8DB3C26C-ADAC-4734-B9D5-1B59488AD132@ai.rug.nl","threadId":"17859","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0902171745320.6185@intel-tinevez-2-302","subject":"Re: First round of UGFWIINI results","fromName":"Pieter de Bie","fromEmail":"pdebie@ai.rug.nl","sentAt":"2009-04-22T10:52:57Z","receivedAt":"2009-04-22T10:52:57Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"pdebie@ai.rug.nl","avatar":null},"body":"\nOn 17 feb 2009, at 16:47, Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n\n> Dear fans of Git,\n>\n> a while ago I announced the UGFWIINI contest, a glorious battle of \n> ideas\n> how to\n>\n> \tUse Git For What It Is Not Indended\n\nI would like to submit\n\n\thttp://www.ordecon.com/2009/04/22/is-git-more-than-just-a-version-control-system/\n\nfor the next round :)\n"}]}