{"thread":{"id":"17426","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","startedAt":"2009-01-29T01:25:56Z","lastAt":"2009-01-30T12:46:56Z","messageCount":12,"participants":["Greg Hauptmann","Sverre Rabbelier","david@lang.hm","Ted Pavlic","James Pickens","Garry Dolley","Martin Langhoff","Jeff King","Jakub Narebski"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"102380","messageId":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281718x363348caya2dc94e798cc8091@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Greg Hauptmann","fromEmail":"greg.hauptmann.ruby@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T01:25:56Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T01:25:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"greg.hauptmann.ruby@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hi,\n\nDo you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\nability to commit whilst offline on my laptop sounds potentially\nenough reason)\n\nTks\n"},{"id":"102381","messageId":"bd6139dc0901281738j54ee2fe3uca432cef806ec4af@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"srabbelier@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T01:38:45Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T01:38:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"srabbelier@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/3098?v=4"},"body":"Heya,\n\nOn Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 02:25, Greg Hauptmann\n wrote:\n> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\n> ability to commit whilst offline on my laptop sounds potentially\n> enough reason)\n\nAre you seriously asking if you should git instead of svn on the git\nmailing list, or am I missing something? :P.\n\nSeriously though, yes, git works very nicely for 1-person teams as\nwell as for large teams. Especially the ability to \"git init && git\nadd . && git commit -m 'got part of the assignment done'\" has helped\nme a lot.\nBefore I started using git I would come to the point where I thought\n'ah, good, it almost works, now all I have to do is add feature x, and\nthen 10 minutes later I'd be wishing I had used some form of revision\ncontrol so I could go back to that working version!\n\n\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"102387","messageId":"49810FC5.2070902@tedpavlic.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Ted Pavlic","fromEmail":"ted@tedpavlic.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:09:09Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:09:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ted@tedpavlic.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/d085392370ff4c028cf17a0e81e0647744c9682fbcb36b499f31d08ef80ef569?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\n> ability to commit whilst offline on my laptop sounds potentially\n> enough reason)\n\nAt this point, it is clear that you've bought into using *some* form of \nrevision control locally. So you are really asking whether DVCS is \nappropriate for personal-only use. If all you care about is the ability \nto commit locally, then you might as well use vanilla RCS (i.e., the \nultimate \"plumbing\" behind SVN).\n\nHow easy DVCS solutions make merging and rebasing is a secondary feature \nfor me. Primarily, I like that while doing my work, I don't ever have to \n*think* about the revision control. I don't have to check out or lock \nfiles. I don't have to worry about checking in all of my changes. I just \nwork, and, when I'm ready, the DVCS takes care of everything else. It's \nthe *overall* ease of use that makes DVCS so valuable to me... (and who \nknows... maybe later someone will want to clone my repo and we'll trade \ncommits back and forth)\n\n[ Keep in mind that git is not the only DVCS. For some of my personal \nprojects, I use hg (Mercurial), and for others I use git. On none of \nthem do I use SVN. Unfortunately, the proliferation of SVN on \nSourceForge has prevented me from contributed myriad local patches to \nprojects that are otherwise very important to me. Perhaps another great \nreason to use DVCS locally is that you'll be putting implicit pressure \non places like SF to modernize. ]\n\nBest --\nTed\n\n-- \nTed Pavlic \n\n Please visit my ALS association page:\n http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic\n My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.\n"},{"id":"102388","messageId":"885649360901281815q42199468v8658d864386efe2d@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"James Pickens","fromEmail":"jepicken@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:15:32Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:15:32Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jepicken@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???\n\nYes, emphatically. I do it myself all the time.\n\nJames\n"},{"id":"102389","messageId":"20090129022100.GA17928@garry-thinkpad.arpnetworks.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Garry Dolley","fromEmail":"gdolley@arpnetworks.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:21:00Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:21:00Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gdolley@ucla.edu","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/b9ca98e2d5fd3a993ad695e8315f078b7ae364d2d1b637a6adecf8953a034dd2?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:25:56AM +1000, Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n> Hi,\n> \n> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\n> ability to commit whilst offline on my laptop sounds potentially\n> enough reason)\n\nAbsolutely. I have several repos on my filesystem and also a server\nthat are for myself only.\n\n-- \nGarry Dolley\nARP Networks, Inc. http://www.arpnetworks.com\nData center, VPS, and IP transit solutions (818) 206-0181\nMember Los Angeles County REACT, Unit 336 WQGK336\nBlog http://scie.nti.st\n"},{"id":"102390","messageId":"46a038f90901281828t16ace3bdocc897eb5235d7c30@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"885649360901281815q42199468v8658d864386efe2d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:28:09Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:28:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM, James Pickens wrote:\n> Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n>> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???\n>\n> Yes, emphatically. I do it myself all the time.\n\n+1!\n\n - offline work on your laptop\n - \"git stash\"\n - keep various branches (experimental, feature, stable...), with\nuntold flexibility for cherrypicking, merges, etc\n - bisect!\n - visualise things with gitk\n - search with gitk for specific bits of code, changes (pickaxe), etc\n\nonce you start... it's a bit addictive...\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"},{"id":"102392","messageId":"d30068860901281846v65baf431mdab5fe961ef9407d@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"46a038f90901281828t16ace3bdocc897eb5235d7c30@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Greg Hauptmann","fromEmail":"greg.hauptmann.ruby@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:46:56Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:46:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"greg.hauptmann.ruby@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"does the concept of me setting up my own central git server as well\nmake any sense from the point of view of a way to ensure I can (when\nI'm not remote) \"check-in\" to the central git server & thereby keep a\nseparate copy of my code (i.e. effectively a backup)\n\n\n2009/1/29 Martin Langhoff :\n> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM, James Pickens wrote:\n>> Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n>>> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???\n>>\n>> Yes, emphatically. I do it myself all the time.\n>\n> +1!\n>\n> - offline work on your laptop\n> - \"git stash\"\n> - keep various branches (experimental, feature, stable...), with\n> untold flexibility for cherrypicking, merges, etc\n> - bisect!\n> - visualise things with gitk\n> - search with gitk for specific bits of code, changes (pickaxe), etc\n>\n> once you start... it's a bit addictive...\n>\n>\n> m\n> --\n> martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n> martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n> - ask interesting questions\n> - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n> - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n>\n\n\n\n-- \nGreg\nhttp://blog.gregnet.org/\n"},{"id":"102383","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.10.0901281833280.22712@asgard.lang.hm","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"","fromEmail":"david@lang.hm","sentAt":"2009-01-29T02:57:21Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T02:57:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"david@lang.hm","avatar":null},"body":"On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n\n> Hi,\n>\n> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\n> ability to commit whilst offline on my laptop sounds potentially\n> enough reason)\n\nwell, if you use svn just put the svn repository on your laptop.\n\nbut if you use multiple systems you aren't really a 1-person team, you \njust happen to be one person working in different places.\n\nalso the distributed nature of git will make doing (and maintaining) \nbackups easier, as well as recovering from the inevitable cases where you \ndo development seperatly on your different machines and then need to \ncombine them.\n\nDavid Lang\n"},{"id":"102394","messageId":"49812236.9010201@tedpavlic.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"46a038f90901281828t16ace3bdocc897eb5235d7c30@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Ted Pavlic","fromEmail":"ted@tedpavlic.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T03:27:50Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T03:27:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ted@tedpavlic.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/d085392370ff4c028cf17a0e81e0647744c9682fbcb36b499f31d08ef80ef569?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"> - \"git stash\"\n\nNot to mention StGit, which can achieve many of the same things as \"git \nstash\" while also letting you toy with your changeset history (which is \ndefinitely permissible on personal repos).\n\n> - visualise things with gitk\n> - search with gitk for specific bits of code, changes (pickaxe), etc\n\nNot to mention tig, the wonderful ncurses (i.e., Terminal-based) tool \nrecently announced on this mailing list.\n\n(and \"git grep\", of course)\n\n--Ted\n\n\n-- \nTed Pavlic \n\n Please visit my ALS association page:\n http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic\n My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.\n"},{"id":"102395","messageId":"49812309.9010703@tedpavlic.com","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281846v65baf431mdab5fe961ef9407d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Ted Pavlic","fromEmail":"ted@tedpavlic.com","sentAt":"2009-01-29T03:31:21Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T03:31:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ted@tedpavlic.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/d085392370ff4c028cf17a0e81e0647744c9682fbcb36b499f31d08ef80ef569?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"> does the concept of me setting up my own central git server as well\n> make any sense from the point of view of a way to ensure I can (when\n> I'm not remote) \"check-in\" to the central git server& thereby keep a\n> separate copy of my code (i.e. effectively a backup)\n\nYou can always keep local clones that serve as \"stable\" backup repos. \nHowever, I think most people would suggest you just create \nstable/experimental branches and merge from one to the other as \nappropriate.\n\nIf you need some nice working examples of people using git for personal \nprojects, I recommend you search Google for the many ways of using git \nto manage home directories. Applying git to home directory management \ninvolves many of the same questions (and answers) as what you're \nbringing up here, and it probably will give you some ideas about the \nmost effective git usage for your case.\n\n--Ted\n\n-- \nTed Pavlic \n\n Please visit my ALS association page:\n http://web.alsa.org/goto/tedpavlic\n My family appreciates your support in the fight to defeat ALS.\n"},{"id":"102401","messageId":"20090129040542.GE11836@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281846v65baf431mdab5fe961ef9407d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2009-01-29T04:05:42Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-29T04:05:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:46:56PM +1000, Greg Hauptmann wrote:\n\n> does the concept of me setting up my own central git server as well\n> make any sense from the point of view of a way to ensure I can (when\n> I'm not remote) \"check-in\" to the central git server & thereby keep a\n> separate copy of my code (i.e. effectively a backup)\n\nYes, that is exactly what I do, because:\n\n - my central server is backed up, but my workstations are not\n\n - my central server is accessible remotely, but my workstations are\n not. So that is how I get code from one box to the other.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"102577","messageId":"m3y6wtvu4j.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"17426","inReplyTo":"d30068860901281725t14d19c1vc0557182bca3eb8d@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team???","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2009-01-30T12:46:56Z","receivedAt":"2009-01-30T12:46:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Greg Hauptmann writes:\n\n> Do you recommend \"git\" (over svn) for a 1-person team??? (the\n> ability to commit while offline on my laptop sounds potentially\n> enough reason)\n\nBeside much easier (I think) sync between desktop and offline laptop?\n\nYou don't need to setup Subversion server (even if it is setting up\nplace for repositories): \"git init\" is enough (and you can use\nfilesystem, or bundles, or ssh for sync). \n\nYou don't have '.svn' in each directory, but one '.git' at the top\ndirectory of your project (module).\n\nYou have (from what I have read) better support for file renames,\nbetter support for binary files, and much easier merging branches\n(before Subversion 1.5 you had to use third party tools (SVK or\nsvnmerge) to not have to do merges \"manually\", and even now the\nsupport for easy merging is IMHO worse in SVN).\n\nYou have all those nifty tools like git-bisect, git-log with --grep\nand -S (pickaxe), git-mergetool, git-blame which follows code movement\nat request (see e.g. \"git gui blame\"), git-stash, incremental\ncomitting, comitting part of changes, etc.\n\n\nWhat Subversion has over Git (becuase it is longer) is better tools...\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"}]}