{"thread":{"id":"16776","subject":"rsync deprecated?","startedAt":"2008-12-17T23:41:10Z","lastAt":"2008-12-20T17:08:29Z","messageCount":7,"participants":["Markus Heidelberg","Junio C Hamano","Mike Hommey","demerphq","Miklos Vajna"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"98204","messageId":"200812180041.10312.markus.heidelberg@web.de","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"rsync deprecated?","fromName":"Markus Heidelberg","fromEmail":"markus.heidelberg@web.de","sentAt":"2008-12-17T23:41:10Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-17T23:41:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"markus.heidelberg@web.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6334512?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nin the \"Merging external work\" section of the gitcore-tutorial it is\nstated that the rsync transport is deprecated. The description was added\nin commit 914328a (Update tutorial., 2005-08-30) together with the\n\"deprecated\" note. Having never heard/read this before and since this\ncommit is quite old, I wonder if it is still the case or there was a\nsolution for this problem.\n\nMarkus\n"},{"id":"98218","messageId":"7vljuei2xw.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"200812180041.10312.markus.heidelberg@web.de","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-12-18T03:20:59Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-18T03:20:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Markus Heidelberg writes:\n\n> in the \"Merging external work\" section of the gitcore-tutorial it is\n> stated that the rsync transport is deprecated. The description was added\n> in commit 914328a (Update tutorial., 2005-08-30) together with the\n> \"deprecated\" note. Having never heard/read this before and since this\n> commit is quite old, I wonder if it is still the case or there was a\n> solution for this problem.\n\nSorry, I do not quite understand what you perceive as \"this problem\".\n\nIt has been deprecated for too long a time. Maybe it is time to remove\nthe support, instead of carrying the deprecated command forever? Is that\nthe problem you are talking about?\n\nI tend to agree that rsync transport way outlived its usefulness, and not\nmaintained at all. There may be unnoticed and undiagnosed bugs lurking,\nbut nobody knows about it because nobody uses it.\n\nBut the next release (1.6.1) won't be a good timing for removal. Perhaps\nwe can make an announcement now that it will be removed in a future major\nupdate, and actually remove it in 1.7.0 or so.\n"},{"id":"98224","messageId":"200812180513.51107.markus.heidelberg@web.de","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"7vljuei2xw.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"Markus Heidelberg","fromEmail":"markus.heidelberg@web.de","sentAt":"2008-12-18T04:13:50Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-18T04:13:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"markus.heidelberg@web.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6334512?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano, 18.12.2008:\n> Markus Heidelberg writes:\n> \n> > in the \"Merging external work\" section of the gitcore-tutorial it is\n> > stated that the rsync transport is deprecated. The description was added\n> > in commit 914328a (Update tutorial., 2005-08-30) together with the\n> > \"deprecated\" note. Having never heard/read this before and since this\n> > commit is quite old, I wonder if it is still the case or there was a\n> > solution for this problem.\n> \n> Sorry, I do not quite understand what you perceive as \"this problem\".\n\nThe problem described in the rsync section in gitcore-tutorial: \n\n \"can produce unexpected results when you download from the public\n repository while the repository owner is uploading into it via rsync\n transport. Most notably, it could update the files under refs/ which\n holds the object name of the topmost commits before uploading the\n files in objects/ - the downloader would obtain head commit object\n name while that object itself is still not available in the\n repository.\"\n\nI only thought about git itself uploading into and downloading from the\nrepository with push and fetch, respectively. And wondered where the\nproblem with the order of refs and objects was. But I just realized, it\ncan of course be uploaded with plain rsync, too.\n\n> It has been deprecated for too long a time. Maybe it is time to remove\n> the support, instead of carrying the deprecated command forever? Is that\n> the problem you are talking about?\n\nYes, this is the answer to my question. I thought maybe it's not\ndeprecated anymore, because the only place where it is called so, is\ngitcore-tutorial.\n"},{"id":"98421","messageId":"20081220081511.GA28212@glandium.org","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"7vljuei2xw.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"Mike Hommey","fromEmail":"mh@glandium.org","sentAt":"2008-12-20T08:15:11Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-20T08:15:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mh@glandium.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1038527?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 07:20:59PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Markus Heidelberg writes:\n> \n> > in the \"Merging external work\" section of the gitcore-tutorial it is\n> > stated that the rsync transport is deprecated. The description was added\n> > in commit 914328a (Update tutorial., 2005-08-30) together with the\n> > \"deprecated\" note. Having never heard/read this before and since this\n> > commit is quite old, I wonder if it is still the case or there was a\n> > solution for this problem.\n> \n> Sorry, I do not quite understand what you perceive as \"this problem\".\n> \n> It has been deprecated for too long a time. Maybe it is time to remove\n> the support, instead of carrying the deprecated command forever? Is that\n> the problem you are talking about?\n> \n> I tend to agree that rsync transport way outlived its usefulness, and not\n> maintained at all. There may be unnoticed and undiagnosed bugs lurking,\n> but nobody knows about it because nobody uses it.\n\nSomething that could well make this transport be maintained would be to\nmake it share code/internal API with the \"local file transport\".\nIdeally, http, rsync and file could all share the same basis, and\nensuring the file transport to be functional would pretty much guarantee\nall work.\n\nAnyways, I'm not the right person to say that, as I've been failing to\ndeliver a beginning of such code for a year, now (damn, time goes too\nfast).\n\nMaybe libgit2 could be a good occasion to start some API like this,\nthough.\n\nMike\n"},{"id":"98425","messageId":"9b18b3110812200212o46edf51eoaff43ec1b8fc3913@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"20081220081511.GA28212@glandium.org","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"demerphq","fromEmail":"demerphq@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-20T10:12:11Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-20T10:12:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"demerphq@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"2008/12/20 Mike Hommey :\n> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 07:20:59PM -0800, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n>> Markus Heidelberg writes:\n>>\n>> > in the \"Merging external work\" section of the gitcore-tutorial it is\n>> > stated that the rsync transport is deprecated. The description was added\n>> > in commit 914328a (Update tutorial., 2005-08-30) together with the\n>> > \"deprecated\" note. Having never heard/read this before and since this\n>> > commit is quite old, I wonder if it is still the case or there was a\n>> > solution for this problem.\n>>\n>> Sorry, I do not quite understand what you perceive as \"this problem\".\n>>\n>> It has been deprecated for too long a time. Maybe it is time to remove\n>> the support, instead of carrying the deprecated command forever? Is that\n>> the problem you are talking about?\n>>\n>> I tend to agree that rsync transport way outlived its usefulness, and not\n>> maintained at all. There may be unnoticed and undiagnosed bugs lurking,\n>> but nobody knows about it because nobody uses it.\n>\n> Something that could well make this transport be maintained would be to\n> make it share code/internal API with the \"local file transport\".\n> Ideally, http, rsync and file could all share the same basis, and\n> ensuring the file transport to be functional would pretty much guarantee\n> all work.\n\nJust for the record: cloning via rsync is broken currently. I reported\nthis actually only shortly before Junio made this comment. Apparently\nthe code to copy across HEAD is missing from the rsync code, although\nit is present for HTTP code.\n\nIs there a bug tracking tool that git uses? I asked on #git on irc and\nthey said to just mail the list, but ive not seen any response to my\nmail at all and the timing of Junios comment makes me wonder if my\nreport was seen by list regulars at all.\n\ncheers,\nYves\n\n\n\n-- \nperl -Mre=debug -e \"/just|another|perl|hacker/\"\n"},{"id":"98440","messageId":"20081220170219.GS21154@genesis.frugalware.org","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"9b18b3110812200212o46edf51eoaff43ec1b8fc3913@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"Miklos Vajna","fromEmail":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","sentAt":"2008-12-20T17:02:19Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-20T17:02:19Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/401c1cbbb3a5d13e650c691a2c71d6fd0b80df1a01bc74d9f1972675dd58f2bd?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:12:11AM +0100, demerphq wrote:\n> Is there a bug tracking tool that git uses? I asked on #git on irc and\n> they said to just mail the list, but ive not seen any response to my\n> mail at all and the timing of Junios comment makes me wonder if my\n> report was seen by list regulars at all.\n\nYou did the right thing, just nobody who read your mail had enough\ntime/knowledge/motivation to reply something constructive for you.\n\nSimilar to patches, I think if you get no answer in 3 days, you can try\nto reply to your own mail, bringing the topic up again.\n"},{"id":"98441","messageId":"9b18b3110812200908o5f162218hceee0e82a3265993@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16776","inReplyTo":"20081220170219.GS21154@genesis.frugalware.org","subject":"Re: rsync deprecated?","fromName":"demerphq","fromEmail":"demerphq@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-20T17:08:29Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-20T17:08:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"demerphq@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"2008/12/20 Miklos Vajna :\n> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:12:11AM +0100, demerphq wrote:\n>> Is there a bug tracking tool that git uses? I asked on #git on irc and\n>> they said to just mail the list, but ive not seen any response to my\n>> mail at all and the timing of Junios comment makes me wonder if my\n>> report was seen by list regulars at all.\n>\n> You did the right thing, just nobody who read your mail had enough\n> time/knowledge/motivation to reply something constructive for you.\n>\n> Similar to patches, I think if you get no answer in 3 days, you can try\n> to reply to your own mail, bringing the topic up again.\n\nAh, yes. Being new on this list it is all too easy to suffer from\nWarnock Dilemma.\n\ncheers,\nYves\n\n\n\n-- \nperl -Mre=debug -e \"/just|another|perl|hacker/\"\n"}]}