{"thread":{"id":"16601","subject":"Git weekly news: 2008-49","startedAt":"2008-12-05T00:43:40Z","lastAt":"2008-12-06T06:52:07Z","messageCount":17,"participants":["Felipe Contreras","Jakub Narebski","Michael J Gruber","Junio C Hamano","Nanako Shiraishi","Santi Béjar","Jean-Rene David","Edward Z. Yang","Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"97188","messageId":"94a0d4530812041643r784ae8b1x242e3b2f9c9f41@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Felipe Contreras","fromEmail":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T00:43:40Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T00:43:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/8358?v=4"},"body":"Hi there,\n\nI've been following the git tag at delicious.com[1] and there's quite\nmany interesting links, so I thought on gathering them so the git\ncommunity can enjoy them in one pack :)\n\nThe blog post is here:\nhttp://gitlog.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/git-weekely-news-2008-49/\n\nBut here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n\nWhy Git is Better than X\nhttp://whygitisbetterthanx.com/\n\nGitTorrent, The Movie\nhttp://www.advogato.org/article/994.html\n\nPeer-to-peer Protocol for Synchronizing of Git Repositories\nhttp://code.google.com/p/gittorrent/\n\nCodebase - Git repository hosting with source browser, changesets,\nticketing & deployment tracking.\nhttp://atechmedia.com/codebase\n\nCodebase Launches Git-based Project Management Service\nhttp://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/04/codebase-launches-git-based-project-management-service/\n\nThe Git Community Book\nhttp://book.git-scm.com/index.html\n\nGitX: A git GUI specifically for Mac OS X\nhttp://gitx.frim.nl/index.html\n\nPushing and pulling with Git, part 1\nhttp://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-11.html#pushing-and-pulling-with-git-1\n\n$ cheat git\nhttp://cheat.errtheblog.com/s/git/\n\ngh > hg\nhttp://github.com/blog/218-gh-hg\n\nEasy Git External Dependency Management with Giternal\nhttp://www.rubyinside.com/giternal-easy-git-external-dependency-management-1322.html\n\nWork with Git from Emacs\nhttp://xtalk.msk.su/~ott/en/writings/emacs-vcs/EmacsGit.html\n\nIt's Magit! A Emacs mode for Git.\nhttp://zagadka.vm.bytemark.co.uk/magit/\n\nImproving my git workflow\nhttp://hoth.entp.com/2008/11/10/improving-my-git-workflow\n\ngit-bz: Bugzilla subcommand for Git\nhttp://blog.fishsoup.net/2008/11/16/git-bz-bugzilla-subcommand-for-git/\n\nandroid.git.kernel.org Git\nhttp://android.git.kernel.org/\n\nGitSvnComparsion\nhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion\n\nGuides: Developing with Submodules\nhttp://github.com/guides/developing-with-submodules\n\nA web-focused Git workflow\nhttp://joemaller.com/2008/11/25/a-web-focused-git-workflow/\n\nWhy we chose Git, a rebuttal\nhttp://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/2008/11/why_we_chose_git_a_rebuttal\n\nGit'n Your Shared Host On\nhttp://railstips.org/2008/11/24/gitn-your-shared-host-on\n\nGit integration with Hudson and Trac\nhttp://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/2008/11/git_integration_with_hudson_and_trac\n\nEveryday GIT With 20 Commands Or So\nhttp://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html\n\nHosting Git repositories, The Easy (and Secure) Way\nhttp://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way\n\n10 Reasons to Use Git for Research\nhttp://mendicantbug.com/2008/11/30/10-reasons-to-use-git-for-research/\n\n[1] http://delicious.com/tag/git\n\n-- \nFelipe Contreras\n"},{"id":"97207","messageId":"m3d4g6ipah.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812041643r784ae8b1x242e3b2f9c9f41@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T16:02:33Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T16:02:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"\"Felipe Contreras\" writes:\n\n> Hi there,\n> \n> I've been following the git tag at delicious.com[1] and there's quite\n> many interesting links, so I thought on gathering them so the git\n> community can enjoy them in one pack :)\n\nNice work, although I think better alternative would be to weed those\nlinks out, and put them in appropriate sections (or subsections) on\nGit Wiki; to be more exact on http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitLinks\n \n> The blog post is here:\n> http://gitlog.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/git-weekely-news-2008-49/\n\nFirst, \"Official git blog\"? Official? There is nothing official about\nit. \"Unofficial git blog\", or \"A git developer blog\" (or \"A git\nfollower blog\"; unfortunately names like gitter or gitster for git\npower user's, like TeXnician for TeX users, are taken by nicknames on\n#git, if I remember correctly). Only git maintainer (Junio Hamano)\nand git development community (the git mailing list) can decide that\nsomething is \"official\" resource.\n\nSecond, I am a bit curious about 49 in \"Git weekly news: 2008-49\"\nname of the post.\n\nThird, it is collection of links, not news[1].\n\n[1] It would be nice if somebody resurrected GitTraffic, offshot of\nnow defunct KernelTraffic, or at least helped to write Git articles\nfor KernelTrap (which currently is in a bit of hiatus).\n\n> \n> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n\nMoreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n\n> Why Git is Better than X\n> http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/\n\nQuite good link from what I superficially checked, present in\nGitComparison wiki page.\n\n> \n> GitTorrent, The Movie\n> http://www.advogato.org/article/994.html\n\nThis article is so full of bad information, exaggeration and\nhyperbole, that it would be better to forget about it, and not put it\nin the list.\n\n> Peer-to-peer Protocol for Synchronizing of Git Repositories\n> http://code.google.com/p/gittorrent/\n\nNot news.\n\n> \n> Codebase - Git repository hosting with source browser, changesets,\n> ticketing & deployment tracking.\n> http://atechmedia.com/codebase\n\nNot news. Besides it is present in GitHosting wiki page.\n\n> \n> Codebase Launches Git-based Project Management Service\n> http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2008/12/04/codebase-launches-git-based-project-management-service/\n\nGood link, perhaps should be added as 'see also' on GitHosting wiki\npage, if it is not there already.\n\n> \n> The Git Community Book\n> http://book.git-scm.com/index.html\n\nhttp://book.git-scm.com/\n\nGood link, present in GitDocumentation. But not news link.\n\n> \n> GitX: A git GUI specifically for Mac OS X\n> http://gitx.frim.nl/index.html\n\nOn InterfacesFrontendsAndTools. But not a news link.\n\n> \n> Pushing and pulling with Git, part 1\n> http://www.gnome.org/~federico/news-2008-11.html#pushing-and-pulling-with-git-1\n\nVery good documentation, with nicely done graphic.\n\n> $ cheat git\n> http://cheat.errtheblog.com/s/git/\n\nA bit big for a cheat _sheet_. perhaps it should be added to\nGitCheatSheet (see example here for cheat _sheet_) and/or to\nGitDocumentation wiki page.\n\n> gh > hg\n> http://github.com/blog/218-gh-hg\n\nSeems to be a bit of curio. Not important enough to place it in\nGitLinks, IMVHO.\n\n> \n> Easy Git External Dependency Management with Giternal\n> http://www.rubyinside.com/giternal-easy-git-external-dependency-management-1322.html\n\nPresent on BlogPosts. Might be not as important as article about\nGitosis, because 1.) you can do this by hand, 2.) there are alternate\ntools, like Piston, Giston -> Braid.\n\n> Work with Git from Emacs\n> http://xtalk.msk.su/~ott/en/writings/emacs-vcs/EmacsGit.html\n\nVery good article, presenting various Emacs modules to work with\nGit. Currently as far as I know not present on Git Wiki, but present\non 'Git' page on Emacs Wiki.\n\n> \n> It's Magit! A Emacs mode for Git.\n> http://zagadka.vm.bytemark.co.uk/magit/\n\nProbably should be added (as the rest of Emacs modes) to the\nInterfacesFrontendsAndTools git wiki page.\n\n> \n> Improving my git workflow\n> http://hoth.entp.com/2008/11/10/improving-my-git-workflow\n\nThis post is mainly about the same as\n http://graysky.org/2008/12/git-branch-auto-tracking/\nnamely setting tracking information for _pushed_ branch, using single\ncommand. \n\nThis could have been added to BlogPosts git wiki page.\n\n> \n> git-bz: Bugzilla subcommand for Git\n> http://blog.fishsoup.net/2008/11/16/git-bz-bugzilla-subcommand-for-git/\n\nShould be added in addition to git-bugzila to appropriate section at\nInterfacesFrontendsAndTools wiki page. Good link.\n\n> \n> android.git.kernel.org Git\n> http://android.git.kernel.org/\n\nIs at GitProjects, but thanks for reminding about new server (new\nURL). Not a news.\n\n> \n> GitSvnComparsion\n> http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSvnComparsion\n\nNo comment.\n\n> \n> Guides: Developing with Submodules\n> http://github.com/guides/developing-with-submodules\n\nSeems like a good reference. Probably should be added to both\nGitSubmodules and BlogPosts pages at git wiki.\n\n> \n> A web-focused Git workflow\n> http://joemaller.com/2008/11/25/a-web-focused-git-workflow/\n\nI have't read it in detail, so I don't know if the workflow described\nthere makes sense. I would probably create some rule in Makefile and\nuse \"make publish\" or something, which would push the chages _and_\nupdate page, or use post-update hook for that using some 'git-export'\nequivalent.\n\nOtherwise from first glance looks like good resource.\n\n> \n> Why we chose Git, a rebuttal\n> http://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/2008/11/why_we_chose_git_a_rebuttal\n\nNice reference I think, either for GitComparison or BlogPosts (in the\n\"Praise\" section), or GitLinks.\n\n> Git'n Your Shared Host On\n> http://railstips.org/2008/11/24/gitn-your-shared-host-on\n\nNot something that one cannot find in basic git documentation, but in\n\"Further Reading\" it has nice selection of links.\n\n> \n> Git integration with Hudson and Trac\n> http://www.unethicalblogger.com/posts/2008/11/git_integration_with_hudson_and_trac\n\nNice example of post-receive hook. Either for BlogPosts or\nInterfacesFrontendsAndTools page.\n\n> Everyday GIT With 20 Commands Or So\n> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html\n\nNo comment.\n\n> \n> Hosting Git repositories, The Easy (and Secure) Way\n> http://scie.nti.st/2007/11/14/hosting-git-repositories-the-easy-and-secure-way\nSeminal reference, can be found at BlogPosts page on git wiki.\nVery good link.\n\n> \n> 10 Reasons to Use Git for Research\n> http://mendicantbug.com/2008/11/30/10-reasons-to-use-git-for-research/\n\nVery nice article.\n\n> \n> [1] http://delicious.com/tag/git\n\nI have a host of links to blog posts with git or distributed version\ncontrol info bookmarked...\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"97209","messageId":"49395E46.1030107@drmicha.warpmail.net","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"m3d4g6ipah.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"git@drmicha.warpmail.net","sentAt":"2008-12-05T17:00:54Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T17:00:54Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Jakub Narebski venit, vidit, dixit 05.12.2008 17:02:\n> \"Felipe Contreras\" writes:\n> \n>> Hi there,\n>>\n>> I've been following the git tag at delicious.com[1] and there's quite\n>> many interesting links, so I thought on gathering them so the git\n>> community can enjoy them in one pack :)\n> \n> Nice work, although I think better alternative would be to weed those\n> links out, and put them in appropriate sections (or subsections) on\n> Git Wiki; to be more exact on http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitLinks\n> \n>> The blog post is here:\n>> http://gitlog.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/git-weekely-news-2008-49/\n> \n> First, \"Official git blog\"? Official? There is nothing official about\n> it. \"Unofficial git blog\", or \"A git developer blog\" (or \"A git\n> follower blog\"; unfortunately names like gitter or gitster for git\n> power user's, like TeXnician for TeX users, are taken by nicknames on\n> #git, if I remember correctly). Only git maintainer (Junio Hamano)\n> and git development community (the git mailing list) can decide that\n> something is \"official\" resource.\n> \n> Second, I am a bit curious about 49 in \"Git weekly news: 2008-49\"\n> name of the post.\n\nSince it's \"weekly\" and this week is week number 49 in this year I have\na certain guess ;)\nThe blog has 2 entries only: That one and the wordpress welcome thingy...\n\n>> Why Git is Better than X\n>> http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/\n> \n> Quite good link from what I superficially checked, present in\n> GitComparison wiki page.\n\nVery nice indeed. Minor nitpick is comparing \"hg add\" to \"git add\" and\n\"hg commit\" to \"git commit -a\", I'm discussing this with Scott already.\nBut very nice overall.\n\nCheers,\nMichael\n\nP.S.: For the record or in case anyone ?oogles this:\n\n- compare \"hg add\" to \"git add -N\" and \"hg commit\" to \"git commit -a\",\nwhich compares equivalent commands, or\n\n- compare \"hg add\" to \"git add\" and \"hg commit\" to \"git commit\" (after\ngit add, but time \"git commit\" only), which compares similar sounding\ncommands; here, the sequence of commands is equivalent, just not the\nindividual ones\n"},{"id":"97210","messageId":"94a0d4530812050946r5ea7ddb2v1d93d28ba679813b@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"m3d4g6ipah.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Felipe Contreras","fromEmail":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T17:46:20Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T17:46:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/8358?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> \"Felipe Contreras\" writes:\n>\n>> Hi there,\n>>\n>> I've been following the git tag at delicious.com[1] and there's quite\n>> many interesting links, so I thought on gathering them so the git\n>> community can enjoy them in one pack :)\n>\n> Nice work, although I think better alternative would be to weed those\n> links out, and put them in appropriate sections (or subsections) on\n> Git Wiki; to be more exact on http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitLinks\n\nRight, but next week the links will be different. This time the links\nwhere not really from this week, but they will be on the next\niterations.\n\nSomebody could pick the relevant links and add them in the wiki.\n\n>> The blog post is here:\n>> http://gitlog.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/git-weekely-news-2008-49/\n>\n> First, \"Official git blog\"? Official? There is nothing official about\n> it. \"Unofficial git blog\", or \"A git developer blog\" (or \"A git\n> follower blog\"; unfortunately names like gitter or gitster for git\n> power user's, like TeXnician for TeX users, are taken by nicknames on\n> #git, if I remember correctly). Only git maintainer (Junio Hamano)\n> and git development community (the git mailing list) can decide that\n> something is \"official\" resource.\n\nI asked in the mailing list and the only comment I got was: go ahead.\nSo yeah, that doesn't look like an \"official\" blessing, but it's not\nbad either.\n\nAnyway, my idea is that many gitsters will participate on this blog,\nit's not my personal blog, I already have one.\n\nWho wants an account?\n\n> Second, I am a bit curious about 49 in \"Git weekly news: 2008-49\"\n> name of the post.\n\nIt's the week number.\n\n> Third, it is collection of links, not news[1].\n\nTrue, \"Git weekly links\" sounds better?\n\n> [1] It would be nice if somebody resurrected GitTraffic, offshot of\n> now defunct KernelTraffic, or at least helped to write Git articles\n> for KernelTrap (which currently is in a bit of hiatus).\n>\n>>\n>> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n>\n> Moreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n\nExactly, I didn't choose them, that's what people have been tagging as\n\"git\" in delicious.com. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed and saving the\nones that appear a lot.\n\nIn fact I don't like some of them, but that's what the \"public\" finds\ninteresting.\n\n>> Why Git is Better than X\n>> http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/\n>\n> Quite good link from what I superficially checked, present in\n> GitComparison wiki page.\n>\n>>\n>> GitTorrent, The Movie\n>> http://www.advogato.org/article/994.html\n>\n> This article is so full of bad information, exaggeration and\n> hyperbole, that it would be better to forget about it, and not put it\n> in the list.\n\nIt's popular, and a lot of people find it interesting. /me shrugs\n\n>> Peer-to-peer Protocol for Synchronizing of Git Repositories\n>> http://code.google.com/p/gittorrent/\n>\n> Not news.\n\nRight, but it is to many people.\n\n\n\nThanks for the comments, but gathering all these links is already\ntaking me more time that I wished.\n\n> I have a host of links to blog posts with git or distributed version\n> control info bookmarked...\n\nMy objective is to do this weekly. Maybe I'll put the links in a git\nrepo so people can see them before I make the post. Would you find\nthat useful?\n\nAs an example of possible links for next week:\nMy RubyGems development tools and workflow\nhttp://drnicwilliams.com/2008/12/05/my-rubygems-development-tools-and-workflow/\n\nPushr, or the application will deploy itself\nhttp://www.restafari.org/pushr-or-the-application-will-deploy-itself.html\n\n-- \nFelipe Contreras\n"},{"id":"97212","messageId":"200812052027.57796.jnareb@gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812050946r5ea7ddb2v1d93d28ba679813b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T19:27:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T19:27:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 18:46, Felipe Contreras wrote:\n> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n>> \"Felipe Contreras\" writes:\n>>\n>>> Hi there,\n>>>\n>>> I've been following the git tag at delicious.com[1]\n\nBy the way, from time to time I search blogs using either Technorati\nsearching for \"http://git.or.cz\", or Google Blog Search searching\neither for \"link:git.or.cz\" or \"Distributed Version Control\".\n\nBTW. funny thing that Google _Blog_ Search sometimes returns a host\nof links to 'commit' view of gitweb... :-)\n\n>>> and there's quite \n>>> many interesting links, so I thought on gathering them so the git\n>>> community can enjoy them in one pack :)\n>>\n>> Nice work, although I think better alternative would be to weed those\n>> links out, and put them in appropriate sections (or subsections) on\n>> Git Wiki; to be more exact on http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitLinks\n> \n> Right, but next week the links will be different. This time the links\n> where not really from this week, but they will be on the next\n> iterations.\n> \n> Somebody could pick the relevant links and add them in the wiki.\n\nWell, if it is mainly as the place for \"weekly links\", it has some\npurpose as it. And finding the links, perhaps with some minimal\nreduction (removing duplicates and such), is much easier and takes\nmuch less time than selecting \"links of impact\" for GitLinks page,\nor selecting other page like BlogPosts, GitComparison, GitDocumentation\nor InterfacesFrontendsAndTools git wiki page to add link to.\n\n>>> The blog post is here:\n>>> http://gitlog.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/git-weekely-news-2008-49/\n>>\n>> First, \"Official git blog\"? Official? There is nothing official about\n>> it. \"Unofficial git blog\", or \"A git developer blog\" (or \"A git\n>> follower blog\"; unfortunately names like gitter or gitster for git\n>> power user's, like TeXnician for TeX users, are taken by nicknames on\n>> #git, if I remember correctly). Only git maintainer (Junio Hamano)\n>> and git development community (the git mailing list) can decide that\n>> something is \"official\" resource.\n> \n> I asked in the mailing list and the only comment I got was: go ahead.\n> So yeah, that doesn't look like an \"official\" blessing, but it's not\n> bad either.\n\nAh, I didn't remember about it.\n \n>\n> Anyway, my idea is that many gitsters will participate on this blog,\n> it's not my personal blog, I already have one.\n> \n> Who wants an account?\n\nStill it looks more like \"A git blog\" than \"Official git blog\".\n \n>> Third, it is collection of links, not news[1].\n> \n> True, \"Git weekly links\" sounds better?\n\nYes, IMHO it is better name.\n\n>>>\n>>> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n>>\n>> Moreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n> \n> Exactly, I didn't choose them, that's what people have been tagging as\n> \"git\" in delicious.com. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed and saving the\n> ones that appear a lot.\n> \n> In fact I don't like some of them, but that's what the \"public\" finds\n> interesting.\n\nWell, I think that people would treat those collection of links as\ncollection of links to _sensible_ contents. So at least put such links\nin the \"Controversial\" (or something like that) section.\n \n> \n> \n> Thanks for the comments, but gathering all these links is already\n> taking me more time that I wished.\n> \n>> I have a host of links to blog posts with git or distributed version\n>> control info bookmarked...\n> \n> My objective is to do this weekly. Maybe I'll put the links in a git\n> repo so people can see them before I make the post. Would you find\n> that useful?\n\nI don't think so.\n\n.....................................................................\n> As an example of possible links for next week:\n> My RubyGems development tools and workflow\n> http://drnicwilliams.com/2008/12/05/my-rubygems-development-tools-and-workflow/\n\nHow it is about git?\n\n> Pushr, or the application will deploy itself\n> http://www.restafari.org/pushr-or-the-application-will-deploy-itself.html\n\nNice article, extending on article about Git support for Capistrano.\nWorth reading, I think, at least for Rubyists (RnR) here...\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\n"},{"id":"97215","messageId":"7v3ah2z6jh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"m3d4g6ipah.fsf@localhost.localdomain","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T20:54:58Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T20:54:58Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Jakub Narebski writes:\n\n> [1] It would be nice if somebody resurrected GitTraffic, offshot of\n> now defunct KernelTraffic, or at least helped to write Git articles\n> for KernelTrap (which currently is in a bit of hiatus).\n\nWhile I 100% agree with you that \"Git Traffic\" was a terrific attempt, I\ndo not think expecting or asking Felipe to duplicate it is realistic.\n\nI searched for Felipe's proposal on the list archive, and its title was\n\"Planet Git\". That shows why the focus could be different.\n\n\"Git Traffic\" was great because it attempted to directly address the issue\nthat the traffic on the mailing list was simply too high (and still is) to\nfollow for casual observers. It did so by giving a comprehensive summary\nof what important topics were discussed recently on the list from the\nviewpoint of one dedicated person who followed many, perhaps not all,\nimportant threads carefully, who very well knew what was going on, and who\nhad a good taste on what is important and what is not.\n\nBut \"Planet Git\" is quite different from \"Git Traffic\". For the latter,\nsomebody needs to do a real work, continuously. But more importantly, I\nthink they would serve different purposes. A \"Planet\" could be valuable\nto have with or without \"Traffic\".\n\nI think what was presented as \"Official Git blog\", however, is also\ndifferent from what people expect a \"Planet\" to be. I do not think it is\nunreasonable to expect or ask Felipe to improve on making his service more\n\"Planet\" like.\n\nA \"Planet\", as I understand it, is an aggregator of (selected) people's\nblogs, and even though I am not currently involved in any Planet nor\nfollow any Planet myself, I can imagine that it could be a valuable\nresource to have a \"Planet Git\" that subscribes to and aggregates what\ninfluential figures write on git in their blogs.\n\nFelipe's page currently is a random collection of links, and other than\ntheir titles, there is no indication for readers to judge which link is\nworth clicking and reading. It does not even mention who wrote each\npiece, let alone editorial comments (e.g. \"This is worth reading\") like\nyou added. When you click one of them in order to read it, you leave the\n\"list of links\". That is not how navigation (the click and thought flow\nfor the readers) usually works in a \"Planet\".\n\nIf this wants to be a \"Planet Git\", I do not think there is any need for\nFelipe to ask \"who wants accounts?\" It would go the other way. Instead,\nFelipe, as the coordinator of the \"Planet\", would find people who writes\nnoteworthy things on git on their own blogs, would ask for permission to\nslurp and aggregate what they wrote, and produce the page by aggregating\ntheir writings. That would make a good \"Planet Git\".\n\nExpecting people to apply for an account and write for that page would not\nfly. As Felipe said himself, many people already have their own blog.\n\nHaving said all that, I am not sure \"Planet\" would work for the git\ncommunity as well as it would for others. I do not know of many core-ish\npeople write on git on their blogs (and I know at least two core-ish\npeople who flatly say \"blogging is a waste of time\").\n"},{"id":"97216","messageId":"20081206061205.6117@nanako3.lavabit.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812050946r5ea7ddb2v1d93d28ba679813b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Nanako Shiraishi","fromEmail":"nanako3@lavabit.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T21:12:05Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T21:12:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"nanako3@lavabit.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/3777b9e201c5883a62b1a6fdf7c53f2d712d1d80989146063ea861e33aad72a8?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Quoting \"Felipe Contreras\" :\n\n> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n>> \"Felipe Contreras\" writes:\n>> ...\n>> First, \"Official git blog\"? Official? There is nothing official about\n>> it. \"Unofficial git blog\", or \"A git developer blog\" (or \"A git\n>> follower blog\"; unfortunately names like gitter or gitster for git\n>> power user's, like TeXnician for TeX users, are taken by nicknames on\n>> #git, if I remember correctly). Only git maintainer (Junio Hamano)\n>> and git development community (the git mailing list) can decide that\n>> something is \"official\" resource.\n>\n> I asked in the mailing list and the only comment I got was: go ahead.\n> So yeah, that doesn't look like an \"official\" blessing, but it's not\n> bad either.\n\nAccording to \"http://marc.info/?t=121985955200002&r=1&w=2\", you mentioned \"Planet Git\" and only one response other than yours on the topic was somebody offering server hosting space, so no, sorry, I do not see any evidence that your post produced any positive or negative feedback.\n\nBut I think this, if done right, is a great idea and everybody will welcome \"Planet Git\" as the \"official weblog aggregator\". I think a true \"Git News\" that is written by somebody to summarize the happenings in the Git land in a coherent voice would be much more preferable, but that takes real work (which you may or may not be interested in), and aggregated blog would be the best thing we can have without too much effort.\n"},{"id":"97217","messageId":"adf1fd3d0812051344x79fe2c10i77b2abb8e7e19fe@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812050946r5ea7ddb2v1d93d28ba679813b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Santi Béjar","fromEmail":"santi@agolina.net","sentAt":"2008-12-05T21:44:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T21:44:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"santi@agolina.net","avatar":null},"body":"2008/12/5 Felipe Contreras :\n> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n[...]\n\n>>> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n>>\n>> Moreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n>\n> Exactly, I didn't choose them, that's what people have been tagging as\n> \"git\" in delicious.com. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed and saving the\n> ones that appear a lot.\n>\n> In fact I don't like some of them, but that's what the \"public\" finds\n> interesting.\n\nSo I don't see the value of such a list. You can go to delicious and\nget it. Another thing that could be great is filtering this list to\nthose that pass a certain criteria (mainly quality, up to date, ...)\nand present it in an attractive way, with summaries, categorized by\ntype (trick, tutorial, comparison,...), ...\n\nJust my 2cents\n\nSanti\n"},{"id":"97218","messageId":"94a0d4530812051349tff33aaan76e29402215dcae2@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"7v3ah2z6jh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Felipe Contreras","fromEmail":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T21:49:52Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T21:49:52Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/8358?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> Jakub Narebski writes:\n>\n>> [1] It would be nice if somebody resurrected GitTraffic, offshot of\n>> now defunct KernelTraffic, or at least helped to write Git articles\n>> for KernelTrap (which currently is in a bit of hiatus).\n>\n> While I 100% agree with you that \"Git Traffic\" was a terrific attempt, I\n> do not think expecting or asking Felipe to duplicate it is realistic.\n>\n> I searched for Felipe's proposal on the list archive, and its title was\n> \"Planet Git\". That shows why the focus could be different.\n>\n> \"Git Traffic\" was great because it attempted to directly address the issue\n> that the traffic on the mailing list was simply too high (and still is) to\n> follow for casual observers. It did so by giving a comprehensive summary\n> of what important topics were discussed recently on the list from the\n> viewpoint of one dedicated person who followed many, perhaps not all,\n> important threads carefully, who very well knew what was going on, and who\n> had a good taste on what is important and what is not.\n>\n> But \"Planet Git\" is quite different from \"Git Traffic\". For the latter,\n> somebody needs to do a real work, continuously. But more importantly, I\n> think they would serve different purposes. A \"Planet\" could be valuable\n> to have with or without \"Traffic\".\n>\n> I think what was presented as \"Official Git blog\", however, is also\n> different from what people expect a \"Planet\" to be. I do not think it is\n> unreasonable to expect or ask Felipe to improve on making his service more\n> \"Planet\" like.\n>\n> A \"Planet\", as I understand it, is an aggregator of (selected) people's\n> blogs, and even though I am not currently involved in any Planet nor\n> follow any Planet myself, I can imagine that it could be a valuable\n> resource to have a \"Planet Git\" that subscribes to and aggregates what\n> influential figures write on git in their blogs.\n\nYes, a planet is an aggregation of blogs. I've been involved in some\nplanets and they are not exactly great.\n\nOne disadvantage of planets is usually there's no control of the topic\nof the posts. For example in planet GNOME there's some people that\nmostly blog only about GNOME, but other people blog about everything,\nincluding what they did in the morning, ate at lunch, and discussed at\nthe water cooler. Some people have their blogs properly categorized\nand the right feeds go to the right planets, but they are the\nminority.\n\nPlanets are great if you want people to \"get intimate\" with the\ncommunity, probably a small one. Not for git IMHO.\n\nThere's a single \"planet\" I know that doesn't follow the norm;\nbeagleboard news[1]. There one guy basically uses Google Reader to\nshare whatever he thinks is somehow interesting for the beagleboard\ncommunity. The advantage is that the feed is much more focused than a\nplanet, but still there's a lot of bias in the links, which sometimes\nhave nothing to do with the beagleboard.\n\n> Felipe's page currently is a random collection of links, and other than\n> their titles, there is no indication for readers to judge which link is\n> worth clicking and reading. It does not even mention who wrote each\n> piece, let alone editorial comments (e.g. \"This is worth reading\") like\n> you added. When you click one of them in order to read it, you leave the\n> \"list of links\". That is not how navigation (the click and thought flow\n> for the readers) usually works in a \"Planet\".\n\nLets remember that this is the first try, and there's many more links\nthat what would fit in any given week, but I just didn't want to leave\nthem out.\n\nMaybe for the next weeks I'll do a bit of explanation about each link, lets see.\n\n> If this wants to be a \"Planet Git\", I do not think there is any need for\n> Felipe to ask \"who wants accounts?\" It would go the other way. Instead,\n> Felipe, as the coordinator of the \"Planet\", would find people who writes\n> noteworthy things on git on their own blogs, would ask for permission to\n> slurp and aggregate what they wrote, and produce the page by aggregating\n> their writings. That would make a good \"Planet Git\".\n>\n> Expecting people to apply for an account and write for that page would not\n> fly. As Felipe said himself, many people already have their own blog.\n>\n> Having said all that, I am not sure \"Planet\" would work for the git\n> community as well as it would for others. I do not know of many core-ish\n> people write on git on their blogs (and I know at least two core-ish\n> people who flatly say \"blogging is a waste of time\").\n\nI actually propose two things:\n\na) planet git\n\nThis would be a collection of blogs, probably not developers, which\nmight consider blogging to be a wast of time, but git enthusiasts. I\ndon't expect the list of dedicated bloggers to be that big, hence my\nsecond proposal:\n\nb) git blog\n\nA blog can be shared by a bunch of people, much line online news\nsites. Junio could write a post once for each release, for example,\nwithout having to setup his own blog, maybe somebody else can\ncopy-paste \"What's cooking in git.git\", or any kind of semi-official\nannouncement.\n\nAnd I'm sure there will be one or two developers who wouldn't mind\nsharing their frustrations and/or visions.\n\nThese two are not exclusive, of course.\n\nFor a) I need a server (there's a few already offered), setup the\nplanet software, and people to send me their RSS feeds, which\nhopefully are categorized for git-specific posts. I don't have much\nfaith on this, nor interest.\n\nFor b) I just need interested people to send me their emails.\n\n[1] http://beagleboard.org/news\n\n-- \nFelipe Contreras\n"},{"id":"97219","messageId":"94a0d4530812051357m4f0bc591n802c41a78e698b3b@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"adf1fd3d0812051344x79fe2c10i77b2abb8e7e19fe@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Felipe Contreras","fromEmail":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T21:57:26Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T21:57:26Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"felipe.contreras@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/8358?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Santi Béjar wrote:\n> 2008/12/5 Felipe Contreras :\n>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n>\n> [...]\n>\n>>>> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n>>>\n>>> Moreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n>>\n>> Exactly, I didn't choose them, that's what people have been tagging as\n>> \"git\" in delicious.com. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed and saving the\n>> ones that appear a lot.\n>>\n>> In fact I don't like some of them, but that's what the \"public\" finds\n>> interesting.\n>\n> So I don't see the value of such a list. You can go to delicious and\n> get it.\n\nTry it. You can't see which ones are new, which are completely\nirrelevant. There are duplicates and you can't see the popularity /\nfreshness ratio, or \"hotness\", never mind the most popular this week.\n\nApparently some people already found interesting links they haven't\nseen before, so at lest there's value for them.\n\n> Another thing that could be great is filtering this list to\n> those that pass a certain criteria (mainly quality, up to date, ...)\n> and present it in an attractive way, with summaries, categorized by\n> type (trick, tutorial, comparison,...), ...\n\nYes, I'll probably improve the presentation.\n\n-- \nFelipe Contreras\n"},{"id":"97220","messageId":"adf1fd3d0812051411k4bdbbfc0yca9ce6a97fff31d4@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812051357m4f0bc591n802c41a78e698b3b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Santi Béjar","fromEmail":"santi@agolina.net","sentAt":"2008-12-05T22:11:17Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T22:11:17Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"santi@agolina.net","avatar":null},"body":"2008/12/5 Felipe Contreras :\n> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Santi Béjar wrote:\n>> 2008/12/5 Felipe Contreras :\n>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n>>\n>> [...]\n>>\n>>>>> But here are the links anyway. The order is rather random.\n>>>>\n>>>> Moreover the _quality_ of those links is very random.\n>>>\n>>> Exactly, I didn't choose them, that's what people have been tagging as\n>>> \"git\" in delicious.com. I'm subscribed to the RSS feed and saving the\n>>> ones that appear a lot.\n>>>\n>>> In fact I don't like some of them, but that's what the \"public\" finds\n>>> interesting.\n>>\n>> So I don't see the value of such a list. You can go to delicious and\n>> get it.\n>\n> Try it. You can't see which ones are new, which are completely\n> irrelevant. There are duplicates and you can't see the popularity /\n> freshness ratio, or \"hotness\", never mind the most popular this week.\n>\n> Apparently some people already found interesting links they haven't\n> seen before, so at lest there's value for them.\n\nMaybe they should. Sorry for my ignorance.\n\n>\n>> Another thing that could be great is filtering this list to\n>> those that pass a certain criteria (mainly quality, up to date, ...)\n>> and present it in an attractive way, with summaries, categorized by\n>> type (trick, tutorial, comparison,...), ...\n>\n\nIf this view is more or less what you have in mind I'll try to help.\n\nSanti\n"},{"id":"97221","messageId":"20081206071822.6117@nanako3.lavabit.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"7v3ah2z6jh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Nanako Shiraishi","fromEmail":"nanako3@lavabit.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T22:18:22Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T22:18:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"nanako3@lavabit.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/3777b9e201c5883a62b1a6fdf7c53f2d712d1d80989146063ea861e33aad72a8?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Quoting \"Junio C Hamano\" :\n\n> Expecting people to apply for an account and write for that page would not\n> fly. As Felipe said himself, many people already have their own blog.\n>\n> Having said all that, I am not sure \"Planet\" would work for the git\n> community as well as it would for others. I do not know of many core-ish\n> people write on git on their blogs (and I know at least two core-ish\n> people who flatly say \"blogging is a waste of time\").\n\nBut are you not \"core-ish\", with your own pages?\n\n http://gitster.livejournal.com/tag/git\n\n-- \nNanako Shiraishi\nhttp://ivory.ap.teacup.com/nanako3/\n"},{"id":"97224","messageId":"200812052333.40213.jnareb@gmail.com","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"94a0d4530812051349tff33aaan76e29402215dcae2@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T22:33:39Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T22:33:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Felipe Contreras wrote:\n> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> > Jakub Narebski writes:\n\n> > Felipe's page currently is a random collection of links, and other than\n> > their titles, there is no indication for readers to judge which link is\n> > worth clicking and reading. It does not even mention who wrote each\n> > piece, let alone editorial comments (e.g. \"This is worth reading\") like\n> > you added. When you click one of them in order to read it, you leave the\n> > \"list of links\". That is not how navigation (the click and thought flow\n> > for the readers) usually works in a \"Planet\".\n> \n> Lets remember that this is the first try, and there's many more links\n> that what would fit in any given week, but I just didn't want to leave\n> them out.\n> \n> Maybe for the next weeks I'll do a bit of explanation about each link,\n> lets see. \n\nNot necessary a bit of explanation about _each_ link, but at least put\nthem in rough categories (as a kind of you did), separating praise,\nexplanation/documentation, web and Ruby stuff and solving, and solving\nspecific issue (like those on BlogPosts wiki page).\n \n \n> I actually propose two things:\n\n[...]\n> b) git blog\n> \n> A blog can be shared by a bunch of people, much line online news\n> sites. Junio could write a post once for each release, for example,\n> without having to setup his own blog, maybe somebody else can\n> copy-paste \"What's cooking in git.git\", or any kind of semi-official\n> announcement.\n\nJunio has its own blog: http://gitster.livejournal.com\n\nAnd there is RSS feed for [ANNOUNCE] posts at http://gitrss.q42.co.uk\nand \"What's cooking in git.git\" and the like.\n\n> And I'm sure there will be one or two developers who wouldn't mind\n> sharing their frustrations and/or visions.\n\nWould they want to write blog posts? Git is very much email driven\ncommunity...\n\n[...]\n> For b) I just need interested people to send me their emails.\n\nTo apply for accounts, isn't it?\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\n"},{"id":"97226","messageId":"7vhc5ixn0e.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"20081206071822.6117@nanako3.lavabit.com","subject":"Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-12-05T22:42:09Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-05T22:42:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Nanako Shiraishi writes:\n\n> Quoting \"Junio C Hamano\" :\n>\n>> Expecting people to apply for an account and write for that page would not\n>> fly. As Felipe said himself, many people already have their own blog.\n>>\n>> Having said all that, I am not sure \"Planet\" would work for the git\n>> community as well as it would for others. I do not know of many core-ish\n>> people write on git on their blogs (and I know at least two core-ish\n>> people who flatly say \"blogging is a waste of time\").\n>\n> But are you not \"core-ish\", with your own pages?\n>\n> http://gitster.livejournal.com/tag/git\n\nEh, yes but I do not write about git very often. It is more useful to\nmine the mailing list archive than following the above URL if somebody is\ninterested in my thoughts on git.\n"},{"id":"97245","messageId":"20081206035307.GE24463@lefuneste.homelinux.org","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"7v3ah2z6jh.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Casual observers (was Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49)","fromName":"Jean-Rene David","fromEmail":"jrdavid.ml@magma.ca","sentAt":"2008-12-06T03:53:07Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-06T03:53:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jrdavid.ml@magma.ca","avatar":null},"body":"* Junio C Hamano [2008.12.05 16:00]:\n> \"Git Traffic\" was great because it attempted to\n> directly address the issue that the traffic on\n> the mailing list was simply too high (and still\n> is) to follow for casual observers. It did so\n> by giving a comprehensive summary of what\n> important topics were discussed \n> [...]\n\nWhile I agree having a summary of the discussions\nthat took place on the list is great (and I would\nread it), what I would really like is a\n'git-users' list.\n\nThe traffic here is very developper-oriented and\nthere isn't much room for casual, beginner-level\ndiscussion on the use of git. A lot of projects\nwork that way and I think it's a really useful\nsegregation. And it's really not a lot of work to\nsetup...\n\nI, for one, don't feel comfortable asking beginner\nquestion here (perhaps wrongly).\n\nMy two cents.\n\n-- \nJR\n"},{"id":"97246","messageId":"ghd41k$pre$1@ger.gmane.org","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"20081206035307.GE24463@lefuneste.homelinux.org","subject":"Re: Casual observers (was Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49)","fromName":"Edward Z. Yang","fromEmail":"edwardzyang@thewritingpot.com","sentAt":"2008-12-06T05:53:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-06T05:53:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"edwardzyang@thewritingpot.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/a805a0a3c1d7d36e7fe22270596e4d812723652933c59cac267e67c79126fdd0?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Jean-Rene David wrote:\n> I, for one, don't feel comfortable asking beginner\n> question here (perhaps wrongly).\n\nThe #git channel on freenode.net is a great place to ask questions like\nthat; there's almost always someone around, and you get instant feedback\ntoo. :-)\n\nCheers,\nEdward\n"},{"id":"97247","messageId":"200812060052.07638.bss03@volumehost.net","threadId":"16601","inReplyTo":"20081206035307.GE24463@lefuneste.homelinux.org","subject":"Re: Casual observers (was Re: Git weekly news: 2008-49)","fromName":"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.","fromEmail":"bss03@volumehost.net","sentAt":"2008-12-06T06:52:07Z","receivedAt":"2008-12-06T06:52:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bss03@volumehost.net","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/74fa10b37dfd44462a6a30c4d4e3bda26ab7991ddb0d8ab24b022714a8ecb918?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Friday 2008 December 05 21:53, Jean-Rene David wrote:\n> I, for one, don't feel comfortable asking beginner\n> question here (perhaps wrongly).\n\nBah, I'll answer them.\n\nI don't think my question that I joined the list to get an answer for was a \nbeginner question (maybe; I'm rarely a good judge of my skills), but (since \nthere's no other list) I feel justified asking and answering questions here.\n-- \nBoyd Stephen Smith Jr.                     ,= ,-_-. =. \nbss03@volumehost.net                      ((_/)o o(\\_))\nICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy           `-'(. .)`-' \nhttp://iguanasuicide.org/                      \\_/     \n"}]}