{"thread":{"id":"16183","subject":"GIT and SCC","startedAt":"2008-11-05T18:25:06Z","lastAt":"2008-11-17T07:05:16Z","messageCount":7,"participants":["Martin Terreni","Shawn O. Pearce","Mike Ralphson","Theodore Tso","Jan Hudec","Andreas Ericsson"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"94986","messageId":"20081105182506.GO15463@spearce.org","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"1225909527.8578.10.camel@terrenisrv1.terrenis.net","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2008-11-05T18:25:06Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-05T18:25:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Martin Terreni wrote:\n> Does Git support SCC in any way?\n\nWhat is SCC?\n\nGoogle defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site\n(www.scc-fl.edu). As far as I know, we do not send them money.\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"94985","messageId":"1225909527.8578.10.camel@terrenisrv1.terrenis.net","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"GIT and SCC","fromName":"Martin Terreni","fromEmail":"martin@terrenis.net","sentAt":"2008-11-05T18:25:27Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-05T18:25:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin@terrenis.net","avatar":null},"body":"Does Git support SCC in any way?\n\n \n\nRegards,\n\nMartin Terreni\n"},{"id":"94989","messageId":"e2b179460811051111y2d6e4c5eq19c8b58b93f942a9@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"20081105182506.GO15463@spearce.org","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Mike Ralphson","fromEmail":"mike.ralphson@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-11-05T19:11:06Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-05T19:11:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mike.ralphson@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/21603?v=4"},"body":"2008/11/5 Shawn O. Pearce :\n> Martin Terreni wrote:\n>> Does Git support SCC in any way?\n>\n> What is SCC?\n>\n> Google defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site\n> (www.scc-fl.edu). As far as I know, we do not send them money.\n\nAnd if we did, would it be hard money?\n"},{"id":"94990","messageId":"1225913035.8578.18.camel@terrenisrv1.terrenis.net","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"e2b179460811051111y2d6e4c5eq19c8b58b93f942a9@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Martin Terreni","fromEmail":"martin@terrenis.net","sentAt":"2008-11-05T19:23:55Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-05T19:23:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin@terrenis.net","avatar":null},"body":"\nhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant\n\nIt is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many\nVC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol\nwas created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a\nspecific VC tool.\n\nThanks for the quick response any way :)\n\n\n-----Original Message-----\nFrom: Mike Ralphson \nTo: Shawn O. Pearce \nCc: Martin Terreni , git@vger.kernel.org\nSubject: Re: GIT and SCC\nDate: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:11:06 +0000\n\n2008/11/5 Shawn O. Pearce :\n> Martin Terreni wrote:\n>> Does Git support SCC in any way?\n>\n> What is SCC?\n>\n> Google defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site\n> (www.scc-fl.edu). As far as I know, we do not send them money.\n\nAnd if we did, would it be hard money?\n"},{"id":"94991","messageId":"20081105193824.GA9266@mit.edu","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"1225913035.8578.18.camel@terrenisrv1.terrenis.net","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Theodore Tso","fromEmail":"tytso@mit.edu","sentAt":"2008-11-05T19:38:25Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-05T19:38:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tytso@mit.edu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/51416?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:\n> \n> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant\n> \n> It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many\n> VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol\n> was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a\n> specific VC tool.\n\nIt's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to\nby signing a Microsoft NDA. From the WinMerge API:\n\n\tSCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some\n\tIDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple\n\tof reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status\n\tof those are unknown.\n\n\tWARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing\n\tNDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal\n\tto do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that\n\tcode working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.\n\nhttp://winmerge.org/Wiki/VCS_integration\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t- Ted\n"},{"id":"95976","messageId":"20081116215134.GA4719@efreet.light.src","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"20081105193824.GA9266@mit.edu","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Jan Hudec","fromEmail":"bulb@ucw.cz","sentAt":"2008-11-16T21:51:34Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-16T21:51:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bulb@ucw.cz","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 14:38:25 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:\n> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:\n> > \n> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant\n> > \n> > It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many\n> > VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol\n> > was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a\n> > specific VC tool.\n> \n> It's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to\n> by signing a Microsoft NDA. From the WinMerge API:\n> \n> \tSCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some\n> \tIDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple\n> \tof reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status\n> \tof those are unknown.\n> \n> \tWARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing\n> \tNDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal\n> \tto do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that\n> \tcode working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.\n> \n\nI don't really know what this interface is about, but:\n - For VS6 and newer, source control plugin can be implemented by creating\n a dll exporting particular set of controls. This is documented in help\n files that come with VS2005 SDK which is freely downloadable from M$ web,\n so I don't think that would be under NDA.\n - For VS2003 and newer (ie. the .NET based versions), plugins can be\n implemented for almost anything, including source control, by creating\n .net assembly exporting classes that implement some particular interfaces.\n These interfaces are documented in the abovementioned SDK, so again no NDA\n needed.\nI actually started writing such plugin some months back, but since I can only\nwork on it at $work (don't have Windooze at ~, not to mention VS2005 license\n-- the SDK is free to download, but requires full, non-express, studio) and\nsince it does not look like I could get them use Git at $work anytime soon,\nI didn't work on it too much. Still I could share the basic skeleton and\nthe knowledge I have if somebody wanted to move that somewhere.\n\n-- \n\t\t\t\t\t\t Jan 'Bulb' Hudec \n"},{"id":"96008","messageId":"492117AC.6070200@op5.se","threadId":"16183","inReplyTo":"20081116215134.GA4719@efreet.light.src","subject":"Re: GIT and SCC","fromName":"Andreas Ericsson","fromEmail":"ae@op5.se","sentAt":"2008-11-17T07:05:16Z","receivedAt":"2008-11-17T07:05:16Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ae@op5.se","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/426e89595c75a8f5252dd0c989e5fabe5bcac616e68557427ad9aef6b0ca342a?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Jan Hudec wrote:\n> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 14:38:25 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:\n>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:\n>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant\n>>>\n>>> It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many\n>>> VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol\n>>> was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a\n>>> specific VC tool.\n>> It's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to\n>> by signing a Microsoft NDA. From the WinMerge API:\n>>\n>> \tSCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some\n>> \tIDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple\n>> \tof reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status\n>> \tof those are unknown.\n>>\n>> \tWARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing\n>> \tNDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal\n>> \tto do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that\n>> \tcode working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.\n>>\n> \n> I don't really know what this interface is about, but:\n> - For VS6 and newer, source control plugin can be implemented by creating\n> a dll exporting particular set of controls. This is documented in help\n> files that come with VS2005 SDK which is freely downloadable from M$ web,\n> so I don't think that would be under NDA.\n> - For VS2003 and newer (ie. the .NET based versions), plugins can be\n> implemented for almost anything, including source control, by creating\n> .net assembly exporting classes that implement some particular interfaces.\n> These interfaces are documented in the abovementioned SDK, so again no NDA\n> needed.\n> I actually started writing such plugin some months back, but since I can only\n> work on it at $work (don't have Windooze at ~, not to mention VS2005 license\n> -- the SDK is free to download, but requires full, non-express, studio) and\n> since it does not look like I could get them use Git at $work anytime soon,\n> I didn't work on it too much. Still I could share the basic skeleton and\n> the knowledge I have if somebody wanted to move that somewhere.\n> \n\nI'm interested. Please email me off-list. I'll pass it on to the monodevelop\npeople and see what happens. Hopefully they can reuse the same interface so\nthat mono plugins all of a sudden work everywhere.\n\n-- \nAndreas Ericsson andreas.ericsson@op5.se\nOP5 AB www.op5.se\nTel: +46 8-230225 Fax: +46 8-230231\n"}]}