{"thread":{"id":"15427","subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","startedAt":"2008-09-08T13:52:44Z","lastAt":"2008-09-09T16:29:29Z","messageCount":14,"participants":["Josef 'Jeff' Sipek","Michael J Gruber","Bert Wesarg","Junio C Hamano"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"90081","messageId":"20080908135244.GB27550@josefsipek.net","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Josef 'Jeff' Sipek","fromEmail":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","sentAt":"2008-09-08T13:52:44Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T13:52:44Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","avatar":null},"body":"Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n\nGuilt (Git Quilt) is a series of bash scripts which add a Mercurial\nqueues-like functionality and interface to git.\n\nTarballs:\nhttp://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jsipek/guilt/\n\nGit repo:\ngit://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jsipek/guilt.git\n\n\nThis is a mostly bugfixes-only release to get the fixes that accumulated\nover the past several months out of the door.\n\nAs always, patches, and other feedback is welcome.\n\nJosef \"Jeff\" Sipek.\n\n------------\n\nChanges since v0.30:\n\nAlan Jenkins (3):\n Better \"patch does not exist\" checks\n guilt-diff: allow paths\n guilt-diff: behave sanely if no patch applied\n\nEric Sandeen (1):\n regression: fix failure with Git 1.5.5\n\nJonas Fonseca (3):\n Documentation: rename guiltlink macro to linkguilt\n Documentation: improve AsciiDoc formatting of lists in guilt(7)\n Documentation: customized the manpage headers to include version info\n\nJosef 'Jeff' Sipek (3):\n Documentation: add proper 'linkguilt's\n patchbomb: fix bashism\n Guilt v0.31\n\nShawn Starr (1):\n guilt: Fix git version detection on Debian\n\nTheodore Ts'o (2):\n must_commit_first: Make sure the index is up to date\n Make guilt work even after git-sh-setup is moved out of the user's path\n\n-- \nLinux, n.:\n Generous programmers from around the world all join forces to help\n you shoot yourself in the foot for free. \n"},{"id":"90092","messageId":"48C54728.1030809@fastmail.fm","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"20080908135244.GB27550@josefsipek.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"michaeljgruber+gmane@fastmail.fm","sentAt":"2008-09-08T15:39:20Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T15:39:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Josef 'Jeff' Sipek venit, vidit, dixit 08.09.2008 15:52:\n> Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n> \n> Guilt (Git Quilt) is a series of bash scripts which add a Mercurial\n> queues-like functionality and interface to git.\n> \n> Tarballs:\n> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jsipek/guilt/\n> \n> Git repo:\n> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jsipek/guilt.git\n> \n> \n> This is a mostly bugfixes-only release to get the fixes that accumulated\n> over the past several months out of the door.\n> \n> As always, patches, and other feedback is welcome.\n> \n> Josef \"Jeff\" Sipek.\n\nGuilt insists on being used with git 1.5.*. Is this intended?\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"90094","messageId":"20080908154512.GC27550@josefsipek.net","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"48C54728.1030809@fastmail.fm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Josef 'Jeff' Sipek","fromEmail":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","sentAt":"2008-09-08T15:45:12Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T15:45:12Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","avatar":null},"body":"On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 05:39:20PM +0200, Michael J Gruber wrote:\n> Josef 'Jeff' Sipek venit, vidit, dixit 08.09.2008 15:52:\n> > Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n> > \n> > Guilt (Git Quilt) is a series of bash scripts which add a Mercurial\n> > queues-like functionality and interface to git.\n> > \n> > Tarballs:\n> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jsipek/guilt/\n> > \n> > Git repo:\n> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jsipek/guilt.git\n> > \n> > \n> > This is a mostly bugfixes-only release to get the fixes that accumulated\n> > over the past several months out of the door.\n> > \n> > As always, patches, and other feedback is welcome.\n> > \n> > Josef \"Jeff\" Sipek.\n> \n> Guilt insists on being used with git 1.5.*. Is this intended?\n\n&^$@#^(@$# My bad...I guess I'll have to push out a fix for that... :/\n\nThanks for pointing it out!\n\nJosef 'Jeff' Sipek.\n\n-- \nA computer without Microsoft is like chocolate cake without mustard.\n"},{"id":"90099","messageId":"20080908155850.GD27550@josefsipek.net","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"48C54728.1030809@fastmail.fm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Josef 'Jeff' Sipek","fromEmail":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","sentAt":"2008-09-08T15:58:50Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T15:58:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","avatar":null},"body":"On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 05:39:20PM +0200, Michael J Gruber wrote:\n> Josef 'Jeff' Sipek venit, vidit, dixit 08.09.2008 15:52:\n> > Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n> > \n> > Guilt (Git Quilt) is a series of bash scripts which add a Mercurial\n> > queues-like functionality and interface to git.\n> > \n> > Tarballs:\n> > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jsipek/guilt/\n> > \n> > Git repo:\n> > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jsipek/guilt.git\n> > \n> > \n> > This is a mostly bugfixes-only release to get the fixes that accumulated\n> > over the past several months out of the door.\n> > \n> > As always, patches, and other feedback is welcome.\n> > \n> > Josef \"Jeff\" Sipek.\n> \n> Guilt insists on being used with git 1.5.*. Is this intended?\n\nOk, I committed v0.31.1.\n\nThanks for noticing!\n\nJosef 'Jeff' Sipek.\n\n-- \nThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one\npersists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress\ndepends on the unreasonable man.\n\t\t- George Bernard Shaw\n"},{"id":"90117","messageId":"36ca99e90809081133s58e3d32h8b85804f5bb76902@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"20080908135244.GB27550@josefsipek.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Bert Wesarg","fromEmail":"bert.wesarg@googlemail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-08T18:33:23Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T18:33:23Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bert.wesarg@googlemail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/111934?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 15:52, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:\n> Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n\nIs it possible to include pre-generated docs in the tarballs?\n\nI downloaded one and run 'make doc' and get these messages:\n\nfatal: Not a git repository\n\nwhich looks like it comes from this line in Documentation/Makefile:\n\nVERSION=$(shell git describe)\n\nIts not critical, but looks awkward.\n\nThanks\n\nBert\n"},{"id":"90119","messageId":"20080908184322.GE27550@josefsipek.net","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"36ca99e90809081133s58e3d32h8b85804f5bb76902@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Josef 'Jeff' Sipek","fromEmail":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","sentAt":"2008-09-08T18:43:22Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T18:43:22Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jeffpc@josefsipek.net","avatar":null},"body":"On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 08:33:23PM +0200, Bert Wesarg wrote:\n> Hi,\n> \n> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 15:52, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:\n> > Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n> \n> Is it possible to include pre-generated docs in the tarballs?\n> \n> I downloaded one and run 'make doc' and get these messages:\n> \n> fatal: Not a git repository\n> \n> which looks like it comes from this line in Documentation/Makefile:\n> \n> VERSION=$(shell git describe)\n> \n> Its not critical, but looks awkward.\n\n1) I already commit generated man pages for each release - on the man branch\n (there's also html branch with the html-formated man pages).\n\n2) I'm aware of the git error you saw, and it is on my todo list\n\n3) I just checked the git tarballs, and they don't include man pages either.\n Should I include the manpages in the source tarball, or should I just\n create another tarball with the manpages? (The git error will get fixed\n regardless - that's the only invocation of git during the manpage build\n process, and it's there only to get a nice looking version number to\n include in the manpages.)\n\nJosef 'Jeff' Sipek.\n\n-- \nBad pun of the week: The formula 1 control computer suffered from a race\ncondition\n"},{"id":"90120","messageId":"36ca99e90809081150v4ad6e7a0n72b5cca39e02b1bc@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"20080908184322.GE27550@josefsipek.net","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Bert Wesarg","fromEmail":"bert.wesarg@googlemail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-08T18:50:03Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T18:50:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"bert.wesarg@googlemail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/111934?v=4"},"body":"On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 20:43, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:\n> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 08:33:23PM +0200, Bert Wesarg wrote:\n>> Hi,\n>>\n>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 15:52, Josef 'Jeff' Sipek wrote:\n>> > Guilt v0.31 is available for download.\n>>\n>> Is it possible to include pre-generated docs in the tarballs?\n>>\n>> I downloaded one and run 'make doc' and get these messages:\n>>\n>> fatal: Not a git repository\n>>\n>> which looks like it comes from this line in Documentation/Makefile:\n>>\n>> VERSION=$(shell git describe)\n>>\n>> Its not critical, but looks awkward.\n>\n> 1) I already commit generated man pages for each release - on the man branch\n> (there's also html branch with the html-formated man pages).\n>\n> 2) I'm aware of the git error you saw, and it is on my todo list\n>\n> 3) I just checked the git tarballs, and they don't include man pages either.\n> Should I include the manpages in the source tarball, or should I just\n> create another tarball with the manpages? (The git error will get fixed\n> regardless - that's the only invocation of git during the manpage build\n> process, and it's there only to get a nice looking version number to\n> include in the manpages.)\nI must admit, that I don't like these extra tarballs with docs. I\nalways expect, that the manpages are nicely installed if I type 'make\ninstall' (or at least with a install-doc target). But I need to\ndownload this extra package, and extract it to the right place, there\nis no Makefile whatsoever. In case of git its really annoying, because\nthe help mechanism is relying on the manpages (i.e. git help or\ngit --help, but you know this).\n\nThanks\nBert\n>\n> Josef 'Jeff' Sipek.\n"},{"id":"90124","messageId":"7vmyiifnwa.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"36ca99e90809081150v4ad6e7a0n72b5cca39e02b1bc@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-09-08T19:17:25Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T19:17:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"\"Bert Wesarg\" writes:\n\n> I must admit, that I don't like these extra tarballs with docs. I\n> always expect, that the manpages are nicely installed if I type 'make\n> install' (or at least with a install-doc target). But I need to\n> download this extra package, and extract it to the right place, there\n> is no Makefile whatsoever. In case of git its really annoying, because\n> the help mechanism is relying on the manpages (i.e. git help or\n> git --help, but you know this).\n\nThere is no need to feel \"it[']s really annoying\", as install-doc from the\ntarball distribution works out of the box.\n\nI used 1.6.0.1 in the demonstration below, but this is nothing new in that\nversion but has been like this for quite some time (it is how sample RPMs\nbinary packages are built, so the procedure ought to work):\n\n $ ls -1 /usr/bin/git ;# to show there is no other \"git\" on this box\n ls: /usr/bin/git: No such file or directory\n $ mkdir /var/tmp/16\n $ cd /var/tmp/16\n $ wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/git-1.6.0.1.tar.gz\n $ tar xf git-1.6.0.1.tar.gz\n $ cd git-1.6.0.1\n $ make prefix=/var/tmp/16test install install-doc\n $ PATH=/var/tmp/16test/bin:/usr/bin:/bin\n $ export PATH\n $ unset MANPATH\n $ git help cat-file | cat -s | tail -n 8\n Reformatting git-cat-file(1), please wait...\n DOCUMENTATION\n Documentation by David Greaves, Junio C Hamano and the git-list\n .\n\n GIT\n Part of the git(1) suite\n\n Git 1.6.0.1 09/08/2008 GIT-CAT-FILE(1)\n\n\nThe extra tarballs for documentation are also given as courtesy because\nthey are supposed to be platform independent and some people do not want\nto generate them themselves (even though they could).\n\nEither be thankful for the availability of tarballs, or ignore them and\ngenerate them yourself --- it's your choice.\n"},{"id":"90199","messageId":"48C64B8B.5000606@fastmail.fm","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"7vmyiifnwa.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"michaeljgruber+gmane@fastmail.fm","sentAt":"2008-09-09T10:10:19Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T10:10:19Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 08.09.2008 21:17:\n> \"Bert Wesarg\" writes:\n> \n>> I must admit, that I don't like these extra tarballs with docs. I\n>> always expect, that the manpages are nicely installed if I type 'make\n>> install' (or at least with a install-doc target). But I need to\n>> download this extra package, and extract it to the right place, there\n>> is no Makefile whatsoever. In case of git its really annoying, because\n>> the help mechanism is relying on the manpages (i.e. git help or\n>> git --help, but you know this).\n> \n> There is no need to feel \"it[']s really annoying\", as install-doc from the\n> tarball distribution works out of the box.\n> \n> I used 1.6.0.1 in the demonstration below, but this is nothing new in that\n> version but has been like this for quite some time (it is how sample RPMs\n> binary packages are built, so the procedure ought to work):\n> \n> $ ls -1 /usr/bin/git ;# to show there is no other \"git\" on this box\n> ls: /usr/bin/git: No such file or directory\n> $ mkdir /var/tmp/16\n> $ cd /var/tmp/16\n> $ wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/git-1.6.0.1.tar.gz\n> $ tar xf git-1.6.0.1.tar.gz\n> $ cd git-1.6.0.1\n> $ make prefix=/var/tmp/16test install install-doc\n> $ PATH=/var/tmp/16test/bin:/usr/bin:/bin\n> $ export PATH\n> $ unset MANPATH\n> $ git help cat-file | cat -s | tail -n 8\n> Reformatting git-cat-file(1), please wait...\n> DOCUMENTATION\n> Documentation by David Greaves, Junio C Hamano and the git-list\n> .\n> \n> GIT\n> Part of the git(1) suite\n> \n> Git 1.6.0.1 09/08/2008 GIT-CAT-FILE(1)\n> \n\nThis works because you have the full toolchain, especially xmlto.\nasciidoc'ing directly to man (bypassing xmlto) may help some of us.\n\n> The extra tarballs for documentation are also given as courtesy because\n> they are supposed to be platform independent and some people do not want\n> to generate them themselves (even though they could).\n> \n> Either be thankful for the availability of tarballs, or ignore them and\n> generate them yourself --- it's your choice.\n\nHe might want an install target which installs doc from the doc-tarball\nor from the man- and html-branches. Be it a Makefile in those\nconvenience branches. I know it's just a tar or cpio away, of course. I\nmight look at a Makefile for the doc branches.\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"90210","messageId":"48C673CF.2000107@fastmail.fm","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"48C64B8B.5000606@fastmail.fm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"michaeljgruber+gmane@fastmail.fm","sentAt":"2008-09-09T13:02:07Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T13:02:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Michael J Gruber venit, vidit, dixit 09.09.2008 12:10:\n> Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 08.09.2008 21:17:\n...\n>> Either be thankful for the availability of tarballs, or ignore them and\n>> generate them yourself --- it's your choice.\n> \n> He might want an install target which installs doc from the doc-tarball\n> or from the man- and html-branches. Be it a Makefile in those\n> convenience branches. I know it's just a tar or cpio away, of course. I\n> might look at a Makefile for the doc branches.\n> \n> Michael\n\nFollowing up on my own mumble: There are some lesser known make targets for git which almost do that already.\n\nmake install-html uses only asciidoc and xsltproc, but not xmlto, for generating (and installing) html doc, which makes some people happier already.\n\nmake quick-install-doc installs the man pages (and only the man pages, not the html version) by using the \"man\" branch provided by \"the man\" (JC).\n\nI would go about renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man, introducing quick-install-html doing the analogous using the \"html\" branch and quick-install-doc doing both, which would be more in line with the install-doc target.\n\nAre there any objections to renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man?\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"90227","messageId":"7vd4jd8i9b.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"48C673CF.2000107@fastmail.fm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-09-09T15:13:20Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T15:13:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Michael J Gruber writes:\n\n> I would go about renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man, introducing quick-install-html doing the analogous using the \"html\" branch and quick-install-doc doing both, which would be more in line with the install-doc target.\n>\n> Are there any objections to renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man?\n\nWhat does it improve?\n\nIOW, can't you do what you want to do (I am assuming that what you want to\ndo is to be able to copy out the pregenerated contents from convenience\nbranches) without such a rename?\n\nIf you rename the target, I am reasonably sure you would break somebody's\nbuild procedure. It is a separate topic if there are large number of such\nsomebody, or just a limited few.\n"},{"id":"90230","messageId":"48C698DF.7010401@fastmail.fm","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"7vd4jd8i9b.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"michaeljgruber+gmane@fastmail.fm","sentAt":"2008-09-09T15:40:15Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T15:40:15Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 09.09.2008 17:13:\n> Michael J Gruber writes:\n> \n>> I would go about renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man, introducing quick-install-html doing the analogous using the \"html\" branch and quick-install-doc doing both, which would be more in line with the install-doc target.\n>>\n>> Are there any objections to renaming quick-install-doc to quick-install-man?\n> \n> What does it improve?\n\nIt makes it more systematic.\n\nRight now:\n\nDocumentation/Makefile:\nall: builds html and man\ninstall: installs only man (depends on man)\ninstall-{info,html}: installs $foo (depends on $foo)\nquick-install: installs man from man branch\n\nMakefile:\ndoc: builds html and man (-C D all)\ninstall-doc: installs only man (-C D install)\ninstall-{info,html}: installs $foo (-C D install-$foo)\nquick-install-doc: installs man from man branch (-C D install-$foo)\n\nSo there is a distinct asymmetry between build targets and install\ntargets. Wouldn't you expect \"make install\" to install what \"make\"\nbuilds? That is true, but \"make install-doc\" doesn't install what \"make\ndoc\" builds.\n\nPut it differently:\ndoc = man + html for build targets\ndoc = man for install targets\n\nWhat's worse: \"make doc\" fails if you don't have xmlto, even though\n\"make install-doc\" may succeed; but you'll never try it when the build\nfails. Until a few hours ago I thought I couldn't build man pages at\nwork (asciidoc, but no xmlto), and I had never heard about\nquick-install-doc until I looked at the Makefiles in detail.\n\n> IOW, can't you do what you want to do (I am assuming that what you want to\n> do is to be able to copy out the pregenerated contents from convenience\n> branches) without such a rename?\n\nSure I can. \"Namen sind Schall und Rauch\". Names don't matter.\nquick-install-html would follow the above logic. I just think that the\ndoc logic is flawed.\n\nSo, my suggestion is that doc = man + html, whether it appears in a\nbuild target or an install target.\n\n> If you rename the target, I am reasonably sure you would break somebody's\n> build procedure. It is a separate topic if there are large number of such\n> somebody, or just a limited few.\n\nI keep hearing this argument, and I'm even more surprised to hear it\nright after a major release. If not now then when's a good time for\ncleaning up confusing inconsistencies?\n\nMichael\n"},{"id":"90233","messageId":"7vtzcp71el.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"48C698DF.7010401@fastmail.fm","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-09-09T16:02:42Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T16:02:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Michael J Gruber writes:\n\n> I keep hearing this argument, and I'm even more surprised to hear it\n> right after a major release. If not now then when's a good time for\n> cleaning up confusing inconsistencies?\n\nActually, after a major release is the worst time to push for such an\nagenda.\n\nEspecially when that release burned the maintainer with numerous complains\nagainst a major change in it, that has been advertised for a long time,\nwhich was pushed by other people for no good reason other than \"such a\nclean-up would make things much tidier\".\n\nGrrr ;-).\n"},{"id":"90234","messageId":"48C6A469.30702@fastmail.fm","threadId":"15427","inReplyTo":"7vtzcp71el.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: [ANNOUNCE] Guilt v0.31","fromName":"Michael J Gruber","fromEmail":"michaeljgruber+gmane@fastmail.fm","sentAt":"2008-09-09T16:29:29Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T16:29:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@grubix.eu","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/233215?v=4"},"body":"Junio C Hamano venit, vidit, dixit 09.09.2008 18:02:\n> Michael J Gruber writes:\n> \n>> I keep hearing this argument, and I'm even more surprised to hear it\n>> right after a major release. If not now then when's a good time for\n>> cleaning up confusing inconsistencies?\n> \n> Actually, after a major release is the worst time to push for such an\n> agenda.\n\nFor many projects, things become unstable after a major release. This is\nthe time to experiment. Right before a major release, everything needs\nto settle down, with a focus on bugfixes and stability.\n\nThat said, I know the \"logic\" of the make targets now, so I really don't\ncare any more what they are named. I just meant to keep others from\nbeing confused. So I guess I'll go with the existing naming and fit\nquick-install-html right in. Will go into a new thread tomorrow or so.\n\n> Especially when that release burned the maintainer with numerous complains\n> against a major change in it, that has been advertised for a long time,\n> which was pushed by other people for no good reason other than \"such a\n> clean-up would make things much tidier\".\n> \n> Grrr ;-).\n\nJunio,\nI think you handled that in the best possible way, and I felt\nsympathetic with you when that thread with a RFC went OT back to\ndiscussing things over again.\n\nCheers,\nMichael\n"}]}