{"thread":{"id":"15376","subject":"[GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","startedAt":"2008-09-04T21:15:56Z","lastAt":"2008-09-15T14:08:11Z","messageCount":12,"participants":["Jakub Narebski","Daniel Barkalow","Joshua Roys","Stephan Beyer","Sverre Rabbelier","Miklos Vajna","Shawn O. Pearce","Marek Zawirski","Johannes Schindelin"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"89791","messageId":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-04T21:15:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T21:15:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"We are now according to Google Summer of Code 2008 timeline\n http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_timeline\nafter final evaluation deadline (September 2: 12:00 PDT / 19:00 UTC).\n\nTherefore I and perhaps other on git mailing list would like to know \nwhat is the status of all git GSoC 2008 projects. We could then write\nsummary about each project at http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/SoC2008Projects\npage.\n\nSo students and mentors, please write what do you think current status \nof project is: is it done, is it ready, is it perhaps already merged \nin, or can be merged in at any time. Please write also what wasn't \ndone, or what should be done different way (hindsight and all that).\n\nStudents, could you please tell us if you plan to work on git further, \nand in what range (how much time can you get to work on git). What do \nyou think about git development community? What have you learned from \nparticipating in GSoC?\n\nMentors, could you tell us your side about how it was working as a \nmentor for Google Summer of Code? Perhaps some tricks of trade?\nHave you herd perhaps about non-Git projects involving Git, like\nGit# project(s) from Mono, DVCS support for KDevelop from KDE,\nGit plugin for Anjuta IDE from GNOME; how did they fare?\n\nThank you all very much for your work on Git projects on this Google \nSummer of Code.\n\n\nBelow there is list of various Git's Google Summer of Code 2008 \nprojects, in the sequence the are on Git Wiki\n http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/SoC2008Projects\n\n1. GitTorrent\n \nStudent: Joshua Roys\nMentor: Sam Vilain\n\n2. git-statistics\n\nStudent: Sverre Rabbelier\nMentor: David Symonds\n\n3. Gitweb caching\n\nStudent: Lea Wiemann\nMentor: John 'warthog' Hawley\n\n4. Eclipse plugin push support\n \nStudent: Marek Zawirski\nMentor: Shawn O. Pearce\n\n5. git-merge builtin\n\nStudent: Miklos Vajna\nMentor: Johannes Schindelin\n\n6. git-sequencer\n\nStudent: Stephan Beyer\nMentor: Christian Couder, Daniel Barkalow\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\n"},{"id":"89797","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0809041732190.19665@iabervon.org","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2008-09-04T22:10:24Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T22:10:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> 6. git-sequencer\n> \n> Student: Stephan Beyer\n> Mentor: Christian Couder, Daniel Barkalow\n\nThe code's written, and we've been reviewing it, but the end of the summer \nkind of crept up on us (me, anyway) along with the 1.6.0 timing, and we \ndidn't get it in mergeable shape in time for the evaluation. \nPost-evaluation, Stephan's been continuing to clean up the code as we \nreview it. While Christian and I will probably go on finding more things \nto improve about it, it's probably also ready for a wider audience now.\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"},{"id":"89798","messageId":"48C05FB5.3010901@gmail.com","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Joshua Roys","fromEmail":"roysjosh@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-04T22:22:45Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T22:22:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"roysjosh@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> \n> So students and mentors, please write what do you think current status \n> of project is: is it done, is it ready, is it perhaps already merged \n> in, or can be merged in at any time. Please write also what wasn't \n> done, or what should be done different way (hindsight and all that).\n> \n> Students, could you please tell us if you plan to work on git further, \n> and in what range (how much time can you get to work on git). What do \n> you think about git development community? What have you learned from \n> participating in GSoC?\n> \n> 1. GitTorrent\n> \n> Student: Joshua Roys\n> Mentor: Sam Vilain\n> \n\n\nHello all,\n\nVCS::Git::Torrent can only transfer data under limited circumstances at \nthe moment, and doesn't do peering. Part of that is actually due to \nwork done after the deadline, unfortunately for me :-) Anyway, I am \ndefinitely interested in continuing to work on git (and GitTorrent) as \nit is the VCS I use personally. It is, however, the start of the \nsemester here and I am currently focusing on that and job searching as \nthis is my last semester.\n\nI had a really good experience working with the git community over the \npast few months. It was really cool to see very talented people working \ntogether. It was a little intimidating too. Another thing I learned \nabout was the 'O' in OSS, or being 'Open' about development. This is a \ncompletely different paradigm for me, as all of my previous experience \nis personal development or 'corporate' development (things done at \nwork), neither of which required telling anybody about anything until \ncompletion. Regular status updates that were requested during the \nsecond half made that much more clear and, in fact, facilitated my \nunderstanding in this area.\n\nSo, thank you all again, and I hope to continue to work with you in the \nfuture.\n\nJoshua Roys\n"},{"id":"89800","messageId":"20080904223653.GA15170@leksak.fem-net","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Stephan Beyer","fromEmail":"s-beyer@gmx.net","sentAt":"2008-09-04T22:36:53Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T22:36:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"s-beyer@gmx.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/143889?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nmy reply belongs to:\n> 6. git-sequencer\n> \n> Student: Stephan Beyer\n> Mentor: Christian Couder, Daniel Barkalow\n\nJakub Narebski wrote:\n[...]\n> So students and mentors, please write what do you think current status \n> of project is: is it done, is it ready, is it perhaps already merged \n> in, or can be merged in at any time.\n\nIt is done, but not ready.\n\nThis means, we, my mentors and I, are currently still reviewing the code.\nBut I am pinched for time until the end of September due to an important\nexam. My mentors also have not much time and so everything is a little\nslowed down.\nWhen they ACK, it will be sent to the list.\n\n> Please write also what wasn't done, or what should be done different\n> way (hindsight and all that).\n\nDuring the GSoC application phase I have done a breakdown and I declared\ntwo items as \"bonus\" if I am really quick with the rest. But I wasn't\nthat quick, so none of the bonus items have even begun.\n\nThose were:\n 6. [bonus] rewrite the users in C\n 7. [bonus] discuss (with git development team and/or mentor)\n sequencer features needed for gitk and implement them\n\nNow I think (7) is even more needed/interesting, e.g. to be able to do\ninteractive rebasing with gitk.\n\nAnd (6) shouldn't be that hard, but it will be even more interesting when\nsequencer is libified. I have some ideas for that, but I think, this is\nnot so important in near time. Perhaps, there are other parts that need\nsome libification first. :)\n\n> Students, could you please tell us if you plan to work on git further, \n\nYes!\n\nBut due to my current lack of time I have ignored some topics on the\nlist that I am interested in. :-(\n\n> and in what range (how much time can you get to work on git).\n\nThis is fluctating.\n\n> What do you think about git development community?\n\nStrange people. Lunatics. Geeks.\n\n:-)\n\n> What have you learned from participating in GSoC?\n\nIn the beginning: portable shell is a mess. ;)\nWell, I guess I have learned a lot more...\n\nRegards,\n Stephan\n\n-- \nStephan Beyer , PGP 0x6EDDD207FCC5040F\n"},{"id":"89801","messageId":"bd6139dc0809041544o427356c9i40a28b1c182817eb@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-04T22:44:59Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T22:44:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Heya,\n\nReplying to:\n> 2. git-statistics\n>\n> Student: Sverre Rabbelier\n> Mentor: David Symonds\n\nOn Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 23:15, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> So students and mentors, please write what do you think current status\n> of project is: is it done, is it ready, is it perhaps already merged\n> in, or can be merged in at any time. Please write also what wasn't\n> done, or what should be done different way (hindsight and all that).\n\nI consider it a successfull project, although it might not be what\nsome hoped it would be, I am happy with it. I plan to submit it for\ninclusion in /contrib in the near future. I hope to work on improving\nmove detection in git log when time allows.\n\n> Students, could you please tell us if you plan to work on git further,\n> and in what range (how much time can you get to work on git). What do\n> you think about git development community? What have you learned from\n> participating in GSoC?\n\nI very much plan to continue development, now that my day-to-day life\nseems to have stabilized (after being on vacaction to the USA for a\nmonth). I enjoyed working with the git community, especially the 'real\ntime' help on #git has been very usefull!\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"89802","messageId":"20080904225559.GP16514@genesis.frugalware.org","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Miklos Vajna","fromEmail":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","sentAt":"2008-09-04T22:55:59Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T22:55:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/401c1cbbb3a5d13e650c691a2c71d6fd0b80df1a01bc74d9f1972675dd58f2bd?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 11:15:56PM +0200, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> 5. git-merge builtin\n> \n> Student: Miklos Vajna\n> Mentor: Johannes Schindelin\n\nbuiltin-merge is merged. I did not have it in my proposal, but support\nfor custom merge strategies is also merged. Lately I was working on\na better merge-recursive API, that is mostly in next now.\n\nTime did not permit, but I was about to rewrite merge-octopus,\nmerge-one-file and merge-resolve in C as well.\n\nI hope I'll have time to do it later in my free time, but I can't\npromise anything, being a fulltime student as well. ;-)\n"},{"id":"89803","messageId":"20080904230414.GH23708@spearce.org","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2008-09-04T23:04:14Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-04T23:04:14Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> 4. Eclipse plugin push support\n> \n> Student: Marek Zawirski\n> Mentor: Shawn O. Pearce\n\nMarek's work is fully merged into egit.git. Most of it merged\nbefore the pencil's down date, but the final push (and bonus fetch)\nUI parts merged just after it.\n\nIn my opinion this turned out to be a very successful project, and\nMarek has become a really good contributor. I'm happy to have found\nhim, and even happier I stole him away from the Eclipse Foundation\n(where he also had a GSoC application filed).\n\nI suspect he won't be contributing 6k lines of code per month now\nthat school semesters start again, but I think he's interested enough\n(and had enough fun doing it) to stick around. Actually its really\ngood he can't contribute 6k/month, I don't have time to code-review\n6k/month. :)\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"90109","messageId":"48C564ED.7050402@gmail.com","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Marek Zawirski","fromEmail":"marek.zawirski@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-08T17:46:21Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-08T17:46:21Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"marek.zawirski@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Regarding...\n> 4. Eclipse plugin push support\n>\n> Student: Marek Zawirski\n> Mentor: Shawn O. Pearce\n\n\nJakub Narebski wrote:\n> So students and mentors, please write what do you think current status \n> of project is: is it done, is it ready, is it perhaps already merged \n> in, or can be merged in at any time. Please write also what wasn't \n> done, or what should be done different way (hindsight and all that).\n\nProject is done, it's merged to master of egit, as Shawn pointed. I also\nconsider it successful, for sake of my experience too!\n\nI was hoping to do some optional task after push GUI (2nd part of GSoC),\nbut instead I was designing/polishing the new GUI and existing clone\nwizard. Created code was also base for later added (after GSoC) fetch GUI.\n\nThe downside is that there was not enough time for even starting stuff\nlike binary delta (re)implementation. This became huge task, as there\nare serious libxdiff related license-issues. So it probably needs to be\nimplemented from scratch basing on existing research and pack file\nformat knowledge, but not the code.\n\n> Students, could you please tell us if you plan to work on git further, \n> and in what range (how much time can you get to work on git). \n\nI enjoyed coding here, so I except to keep on working on egit. As you\nmay see (looking on my activity on the list) I'm pretty busy last time -\ndoing overdue exams, getting credits or having vacations (that's\nespecially hard labor...). So I won't work on egit next weeks for sure.\nLater, I'm back to university again, so my activity may vary/be limited\nduring some periods. But I except to take some missing feature and work\non that in free time.\n\n> What do you think about git development community?\n\nFolks that I don't know how spend that much time on Git producing\nportions of nice code...\n\nActually, I learned here what community in open source projects means.\nEven if Git is not considered user-friendly, its community definitely is.\n\n> What have you learned from participating in GSoC?\n\nAmong other things, I learned here using Git ;), doing development in\nmore open source way (e.g. where patches review/comments is natural\nprocess), and somewhat doing development of product that is intended to\nbe highly reusable and effective.\n\n(...)\n> Thank you all very much for your work on Git projects on this Google \n> Summer of Code.\n\nThanks too!\n\n-- \nMarek Zawirski [zawir]\nmarek.zawirski@gmail.com\n"},{"id":"90223","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0809091651270.13830@pacific.mpi-cbg.de.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2008-09-09T14:52:41Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-09T14:52:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> 5. git-merge builtin\n> \n> Student: Miklos Vajna\n> Mentor: Johannes Schindelin\n\nMy 2 cents: a full success. Details are public, so no need to repeat all \nthat here, right? ;-)\n\nWas also nice to read it on kernel trap (last sentence in the announcement \nof Git 1.6.0).\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"90732","messageId":"200809151413.37628.jnareb@gmail.com","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809042315.58898.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-09-15T12:13:35Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-15T12:13:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> Mentors, could you tell us your side about how it was working as a \n> mentor for Google Summer of Code? Perhaps some tricks of trade?\n\nBy the way, I have found via LWN that Perl has written nice summary\nof theirs Google Summer of Code projects[1]. Among other they very much\npraise that students did blogging about their progress:\n\n \"use Perl | Summer of Code recap\"\n http://use.perl.org/articles/08/08/29/1224242.shtml\n\n Most of the students did a great job of blogging their progress, which\n I think is an important part of Summer of Code for the rest of the\n community.\n\nWhat do you think about it (for example about doing it in a future\nif our informal Git Development Community would participate in next\nGoogle Summer of Code programs)?\n\n\n[1] I plan to add quick summary of final results to GSoC2008 wiki page, \nhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/SoC2008Projects, of course if GSoC manager(s),\nmentors, or students don't do it first...\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\n"},{"id":"90736","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0809151434280.13830@pacific.mpi-cbg.de.mpi-cbg.de","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"200809151413.37628.jnareb@gmail.com","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2008-09-15T12:40:06Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-15T12:40:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n\n> On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> \n> > Mentors, could you tell us your side about how it was working as a \n> > mentor for Google Summer of Code? Perhaps some tricks of trade?\n> \n> By the way, I have found via LWN that Perl has written nice summary of \n> theirs Google Summer of Code projects[1]. Among other they very much \n> praise that students did blogging about their progress:\n> \n> \"use Perl | Summer of Code recap\"\n> http://use.perl.org/articles/08/08/29/1224242.shtml\n> \n> Most of the students did a great job of blogging their progress, which\n> I think is an important part of Summer of Code for the rest of the\n> community.\n> \n> What do you think about it (for example about doing it in a future\n> if our informal Git Development Community would participate in next\n> Google Summer of Code programs)?\n\nI think that it is better to require frequent interaction on the mailing \nlist, or at least on IRC.\n\nBlogging is nice for those who want to follow the progress of a project, \nbut do not want to get involved. In this case, it is even better than \nhaving the people discuss the issues of the project openly, as reading a \nblog does not require constant monitoring like the list does.\n\nHowever, blogging costs time.\n\nI think that in the case of Git, those who are interested are those that \nwill work on (as opposed to \"with\") those projects, too. So I think the \ntime is better spent on the mailing list.\n\nEspecially given the fact that the interested parties can guide the course \nof the project early, i.e. before a blog entry would be written (just \nthink about the Git.pm thing; both Lea's and Joshua's project could have \nbenefitted from enhancing the existing Git.pm according to their needs).\n\nMy cent,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"90741","messageId":"20080915140811.GA6320@spearce.org","threadId":"15376","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0809151434280.13830@pacific.mpi-cbg.de.mpi-cbg.de","subject":"Re: [GSoC] Git projects for Google Summer of Code 2008 final evaluation","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2008-09-15T14:08:11Z","receivedAt":"2008-09-15T14:08:11Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Jakub Narebski wrote:\n> > \n> > > Mentors, could you tell us your side about how it was working as a \n> > > mentor for Google Summer of Code? Perhaps some tricks of trade?\n> > \n> > By the way, I have found via LWN that Perl has written nice summary of \n> > theirs Google Summer of Code projects[1]. Among other they very much \n> > praise that students did blogging about their progress:\n...\n> > What do you think about it (for example about doing it in a future\n> > if our informal Git Development Community would participate in next\n> > Google Summer of Code programs)?\n> \n> I think that it is better to require frequent interaction on the mailing \n> list, or at least on IRC.\n\nI agree with Dscho completely. We are an email based community.\nStudents should be involved by email, not by blogs. If we were\nthe Ruby community (which near as I can tell is blog based) then\nblogging might make more sense. We're not. We're an offshoot of\nthe Linux community, which is very much email-centric.\n\n> Blogging is nice for those who want to follow the progress of a project, \n> but do not want to get involved. In this case, it is even better than \n> having the people discuss the issues of the project openly, as reading a \n> blog does not require constant monitoring like the list does.\n> \n> However, blogging costs time.\n\nExactly. Email also costs time, but typically we don't see\ntraffic on the list that is just broadcasting something pointless.\nIn general people only start a topic if there is going to be\nworthwhile discussion attached to it, and often that results in a\nuseful patch being applied at some point in the future. IOW that\ntime for email is just necessary in the course of development,\nso it isn't wasted.\n\nIf the community of semi-interested people really wants blogs to\nread, RSS scrape a news feed like Gmane. Ohloh already has an\nRSS feed defined around the emails sent to git ML with the subject\n\"[ANNOUNCE]\".\n\nI however prefer email, and dislike blogging, so I'll continue\nto use the git ML in the future, and so will any student I mentor\nin any potential future GSoC program. FWIW I blogged here at new\nday-job on company internal blog for about a half day before I gave\nup and said \"damn, that really is stupid\".\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"}]}