{"thread":{"id":"14305","subject":"[PATCH] INSTALL: Update section about git-frotz form.","startedAt":"2008-07-06T04:28:41Z","lastAt":"2008-07-07T13:50:33Z","messageCount":4,"participants":["Miklos Vajna","Johannes Schindelin","Junio C Hamano"],"isPatch":true,"patchVersion":1,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"82333","messageId":"1215318521-23901-1-git-send-email-vmiklos@frugalware.org","threadId":"14305","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"[PATCH] INSTALL: Update section about git-frotz form.","fromName":"Miklos Vajna","fromEmail":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","sentAt":"2008-07-06T04:28:41Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-06T04:28:41Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/401c1cbbb3a5d13e650c691a2c71d6fd0b80df1a01bc74d9f1972675dd58f2bd?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"The old text stated that 'git-frotz' can be always used instead of 'git\nfrotz' which is no longer true.\n\nSigned-off-by: Miklos Vajna \n---\n INSTALL | 18 ++++++------------\n 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)\n\ndiff --git a/INSTALL b/INSTALL\nindex 4a4e13f..0efb4b7 100644\n--- a/INSTALL\n+++ b/INSTALL\n@@ -27,20 +27,14 @@ Issues of note:\n - git normally installs a helper script wrapper called \"git\", which\n conflicts with a similarly named \"GNU interactive tools\" program.\n \n- Tough. Either don't use the wrapper script, or delete the old GNU\n- interactive tools. None of the core git stuff needs the wrapper,\n- it's just a convenient shorthand and while it is documented in some\n- places, you can always replace \"git commit\" with \"git-commit\"\n- instead.\n-\n- But let's face it, most of us don't have GNU interactive tools, and\n- even if we had it, we wouldn't know what it does. I don't think it\n- has been actively developed since 1997, and people have moved over to\n+ Let's face it, most of us don't have GNU interactive tools, and even\n+ if we had it, we wouldn't know what it does. I don't think it has\n+ been actively developed since 1997, and people have moved over to\n graphical file managers.\n \n- NOTE: As of gnuit-4.9.2, the GNU interactive tools package has been\n- renamed. You can compile gnuit with the --disable-transition\n- option and then it will not conflict with git.\n+ In addition, as of gnuit-4.9.2, the GNU interactive tools package has\n+ been renamed. You can compile gnuit with the --disable-transition\n+ option and then it will not conflict with git.\n \n - You can use git after building but without installing if you\n wanted to. Various git commands need to find other git\n-- \n1.5.6.1.322.ge904b.dirty\n"},{"id":"82354","messageId":"alpine.LSU.1.00.0807061312520.32725@wbgn129.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de","threadId":"14305","inReplyTo":"1215318521-23901-1-git-send-email-vmiklos@frugalware.org","subject":"Re: [PATCH] INSTALL: Update section about git-frotz form.","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2008-07-06T11:14:34Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-06T11:14:34Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Miklos Vajna wrote:\n\n> + Let's face it, most of us don't have GNU interactive tools, and even\n> + if we had it, we wouldn't know what it does. I don't think it has\n> + been actively developed since 1997, and people have moved over to\n\nThis: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^\n\n... and this:\n\n> + In addition, as of gnuit-4.9.2, the GNU interactive tools package has\n> + been renamed.\n\nsomehow contradict each other. Maybe kill the whole sentence containing \n1997?\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"82411","messageId":"7vhcb2a1hj.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","threadId":"14305","inReplyTo":"alpine.LSU.1.00.0807061312520.32725@wbgn129.biozentrum.uni-wuerzburg.de","subject":"Re: [PATCH] INSTALL: Update section about git-frotz form.","fromName":"Junio C Hamano","fromEmail":"gitster@pobox.com","sentAt":"2008-07-07T02:10:00Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-07T02:10:00Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"gitster@pobox.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/54884?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin writes:\n\n> Hi,\n>\n> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008, Miklos Vajna wrote:\n>\n>> + Let's face it, most of us don't have GNU interactive tools, and even\n>> + if we had it, we wouldn't know what it does. I don't think it has\n>> + been actively developed since 1997, and people have moved over to\n>\n> This: ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^\n>\n> ... and this:\n>\n>> + In addition, as of gnuit-4.9.2, the GNU interactive tools package has\n>> + been renamed.\n>\n> somehow contradict each other. Maybe kill the whole sentence containing \n> 1997?\n\nThe mention of 1997 was correct when it was made, and I think it still is\ntrue to some extent (http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5189\nsays it has not been actively maintained for quite some time), but I think\nit is no longer relevant to us whether many users use gnuit or moved away\nto graphical file managers because of its name change.\n\nThe only people possibly affected are people who has older version of\ngnuit that has been called git, so how about shortening the section even\nfurther like:\n\n INSTALL | 26 +++++++++-----------------\n 1 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 17 deletions(-)\n\ndiff --git a/INSTALL b/INSTALL\nindex 4a4e13f..7d0c2c2 100644\n--- a/INSTALL\n+++ b/INSTALL\n@@ -24,23 +24,15 @@ set up install paths (via config.mak.autogen), so you can write instead\n \n Issues of note:\n \n- - git normally installs a helper script wrapper called \"git\", which\n- conflicts with a similarly named \"GNU interactive tools\" program.\n-\n- Tough. Either don't use the wrapper script, or delete the old GNU\n- interactive tools. None of the core git stuff needs the wrapper,\n- it's just a convenient shorthand and while it is documented in some\n- places, you can always replace \"git commit\" with \"git-commit\"\n- instead.\n-\n- But let's face it, most of us don't have GNU interactive tools, and\n- even if we had it, we wouldn't know what it does. I don't think it\n- has been actively developed since 1997, and people have moved over to\n- graphical file managers.\n-\n- NOTE: As of gnuit-4.9.2, the GNU interactive tools package has been\n- renamed. You can compile gnuit with the --disable-transition\n- option and then it will not conflict with git.\n+ - Ancient versions of GNU Interactive Tools (pre-4.9.2) installed a\n+ program \"git\", whose name conflicts with this program. But with\n+ version 4.9.2, after long hiatus without active maintenance (since\n+ around 1997), it changed its name to gnuit and the name conflict is no\n+ longer a problem.\n+\n+ NOTE: When compiled with backward compatiblity option, the GNU\n+ Interactive Tools package still can install \"git\", but you can build it\n+ with --disable-transition option to avoid this.\n \n - You can use git after building but without installing if you\n wanted to. Various git commands need to find other git\n"},{"id":"82445","messageId":"20080707135033.GQ4729@genesis.frugalware.org","threadId":"14305","inReplyTo":"7vhcb2a1hj.fsf@gitster.siamese.dyndns.org","subject":"Re: [PATCH] INSTALL: Update section about git-frotz form.","fromName":"Miklos Vajna","fromEmail":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","sentAt":"2008-07-07T13:50:33Z","receivedAt":"2008-07-07T13:50:33Z","isPatch":true,"sender":{"key":"vmiklos@frugalware.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/401c1cbbb3a5d13e650c691a2c71d6fd0b80df1a01bc74d9f1972675dd58f2bd?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 07:10:00PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:\n> The mention of 1997 was correct when it was made, and I think it still is\n> true to some extent (http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=5189\n> says it has not been actively maintained for quite some time), but I think\n> it is no longer relevant to us whether many users use gnuit or moved away\n> to graphical file managers because of its name change.\n> \n> The only people possibly affected are people who has older version of\n> gnuit that has been called git, so how about shortening the section even\n> further like:\n\nThanks, I like it.\n"}]}