{"thread":{"id":"14059","subject":"Are C++ contributions welcome?","startedAt":"2008-06-20T12:23:35Z","lastAt":"2008-06-21T12:42:24Z","messageCount":14,"participants":["jose maria gomez vergara","Johannes Schindelin","Jakub Narebski","Sverre Rabbelier","Jose María Gómez Vergara","Martin Langhoff","David Kastrup","Raimund Bauer","Barry Roberts","David Aguilar"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"80472","messageId":"4c88165dd0077363a30b4f98fed16c2f@localhost","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"jose maria gomez vergara","fromEmail":"josemaria@jmgv.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T12:23:35Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T12:23:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josemaria@jmgv.org","avatar":null},"body":"\nI think Git is a really good project and I would like to contribute to it.\nI have been having a look to the source and I have realized on that all\ncode is C(well and perl for some scripts and so..). I know that C++ code\nwas not welcome sometime ago, but I don't know if this have changed.\n\nI don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\nhave more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\nthat language?.\n\nThanks a lot.\n"},{"id":"80479","messageId":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0806201400550.6439@racer","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"4c88165dd0077363a30b4f98fed16c2f@localhost","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2008-06-20T13:03:16Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T13:03:16Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Fri, 20 Jun 2008, jose maria gomez vergara wrote:\n\n> I know that C++ code was not welcome sometime ago, but I don't know if \n> this have changed.\n\nYou probably mean\n\n\thttp://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/58929\n\nbut I cannot help but wonder why anything should have changed since then.\n\n> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I \n> have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in \n> that language?.\n\nOf course, you can try to contribute something in C++, but that will \nprobably only trigger someone rewriting your stuff in (portable) C and \ntake all your credit.\n\nHeck, I might do it myself ;-)\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"80489","messageId":"m38wx0mbuu.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"4c88165dd0077363a30b4f98fed16c2f@localhost","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-06-20T14:16:06Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T14:16:06Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Jose Maria Gomez Vergara writes:\n\n> I think Git is a really good project and I would like to contribute to it.\n> I have been having a look to the source and I have realized on that all\n> code is C (well and Perl for some scripts and so..). I know that C++ code\n> was not welcome sometime ago, but I don't know if this have changed.\n> \n> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\n> have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\n> that language?.\n\nI don't think that C++ would get accepted because it would introduce\nanother dependency; if not runtime dependency (libstdc++), then build\nrequirement (C++ compiler).\n\nAnd I think it doesn't bring much: git is not some GUI application\nwhere OOP works best; it is 'close to the metal' (performance), where\nI think C works best.\n\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"80493","messageId":"bd6139dc0806200830h633c954bn6dbfc87ada90756b@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"4c88165dd0077363a30b4f98fed16c2f@localhost","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-06-20T15:30:31Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T15:30:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:23 PM, jose maria gomez vergara\n wrote:\n> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\n> have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\n> that language?.\n\nAny programmer can learn a new language as long as they have enough\nprogramming skills; it's not the language you are proficient in, it is\nthe programming you are proficient in. If you would like to contribute\nto git, consider polishing up your C, really it is not all that hard\n;). The main thing you will probably stumble into is the lack of\nstd::string, but there are plenty examples in the git codebase to\nlearn how git handles string.\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"80496","messageId":"200806201754.56806.josemaria@jmgv.org","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0806200830h633c954bn6dbfc87ada90756b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Jose María Gómez Vergara","fromEmail":"josemaria@jmgv.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T15:54:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T15:54:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josemaria@jmgv.org","avatar":null},"body":"To be honest, I like a lot projects made in C. I have been working with Qt and \nwith Gtk and I must say that it is easy for me to understand Gtk that is in C \nthan Qt that is in C++. Something I feel like if C++ design do unnecessary \nabstration. The thing is that due to my job, I am more familiar with C++ \nsince the project in which I work at my job is a really big monster that \nseems to be easier to manage using an a litter high level language as C++ \ninstead C.\n\nI would like to learn more C, but sometime I think I should focus in one \nlanguage and learn as much as possible about it.\n\nSometime ago I had to decide between C and C++. Looking around my city, it was \neasy to find a good job working for a big mega-application that for a small \nsystem application. It doesn't mean I like more working in high-level but C++ \nseems to have the best of both worlds. \n\nI will try to do things in C... \n\nBtw, more than strings I miss STL containers and algorithmits, but, if I want \nto join to contribute I know I must adapt myself to the rules. So, i will try \nto do thing in C.\n\nThanks\n\nOn Friday 20 June 2008 17:30:31 Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 2:23 PM, jose maria gomez vergara\n>\n> wrote:\n> > I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\n> > have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\n> > that language?.\n>\n> Any programmer can learn a new language as long as they have enough\n> programming skills; it's not the language you are proficient in, it is\n> the programming you are proficient in. If you would like to contribute\n> to git, consider polishing up your C, really it is not all that hard\n> ;). The main thing you will probably stumble into is the lack of\n> std::string, but there are plenty examples in the git codebase to\n> learn how git handles string.\n"},{"id":"80498","messageId":"46a038f90806200859r520d0593q367d6625a240595a@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"alpine.DEB.1.00.0806201400550.6439@racer","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-06-20T15:59:09Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T15:59:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin\n wrote:\n>> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\n>> have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\n>> that language?.\n\nif you have UI/Win32 experience, a good friendly UI for newcomers to\nGIT is something we are lacking. Johannes got started with git-cheetah\na while ago, and there is a similar project called TortoiseHg, either\nmight be a good starting point.\n\nAs Jakub noted, C++ is a reasonably good fit for UIs, and we are\nlacking those. We have a fantastic team of people doing C work on the\ncore of git, and noone on GUIs. So I'd say yes, C++/UI help is\nsomething we need 'round here :-)\n\ncheers,\n\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"},{"id":"80500","messageId":"200806201811.01444.josemaria@jmgv.org","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"46a038f90806200859r520d0593q367d6625a240595a@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Jose María Gómez Vergara","fromEmail":"josemaria@jmgv.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:11:01Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:11:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josemaria@jmgv.org","avatar":null},"body":"Good that is a really good news because I really like doing front-ends and GUI \napplications. I will take care of this.\n\nOn Friday 20 June 2008 17:59:09 Martin Langhoff wrote:\n> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin\n>\n> wrote:\n> >> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because I\n> >> have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this project in\n> >> that language?.\n>\n> if you have UI/Win32 experience, a good friendly UI for newcomers to\n> GIT is something we are lacking. Johannes got started with git-cheetah\n> a while ago, and there is a similar project called TortoiseHg, either\n> might be a good starting point.\n>\n> As Jakub noted, C++ is a reasonably good fit for UIs, and we are\n> lacking those. We have a fantastic team of people doing C work on the\n> core of git, and noone on GUIs. So I'd say yes, C++/UI help is\n> something we need 'round here :-)\n>\n> cheers,\n>\n>\n>\n> m\n"},{"id":"80501","messageId":"200806201820.54585.josemaria@jmgv.org","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"200806201811.01444.josemaria@jmgv.org","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Jose María Gómez Vergara","fromEmail":"josemaria@jmgv.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:20:54Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:20:54Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josemaria@jmgv.org","avatar":null},"body":"Before starting, do you have any preference for Qt or Gtk in Git. I feel quite \nconfortable with both of them.\n\nQt . C++ GPL\nGtk+. C - LGPL\n\nThe quality is good for both of them\n\nOn Friday 20 June 2008 18:11:01 Jose María Gómez Vergara wrote:\n> Good that is a really good news because I really like doing front-ends and\n> GUI applications. I will take care of this.\n>\n\n\n> On Friday 20 June 2008 17:59:09 Martin Langhoff wrote:\n> > On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Johannes Schindelin\n> >\n> > wrote:\n> > >> I don't feel comfortable programing in C and I prefer C++ only because\n> > >> I have more experience using this one. May I contribute to this\n> > >> project in that language?.\n> >\n> > if you have UI/Win32 experience, a good friendly UI for newcomers to\n> > GIT is something we are lacking. Johannes got started with git-cheetah\n> > a while ago, and there is a similar project called TortoiseHg, either\n> > might be a good starting point.\n> >\n> > As Jakub noted, C++ is a reasonably good fit for UIs, and we are\n> > lacking those. We have a fantastic team of people doing C work on the\n> > core of git, and noone on GUIs. So I'd say yes, C++/UI help is\n> > something we need 'round here :-)\n> >\n> > cheers,\n> >\n> >\n> >\n> > m\n>\n> --\n> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line \"unsubscribe git\" in\n> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org\n> More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html\n"},{"id":"80502","messageId":"86skv81356.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"200806201820.54585.josemaria@jmgv.org","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:29:09Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:29:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Jose María Gómez Vergara writes:\n\n> Before starting, do you have any preference for Qt or Gtk in Git. I feel quite \n> confortable with both of them.\n>\n> Qt . C++ GPL\n> Gtk+. C - LGPL\n>\n> The quality is good for both of them\n\nPlease take a look at\n. It might be\nworthwhile not to start from scratch here.\n\n-- \nDavid Kastrup\n"},{"id":"80503","messageId":"1213979890.6511.6.camel@doriath","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"200806201820.54585.josemaria@jmgv.org","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Raimund Bauer","fromEmail":"ray007@gmx.net","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:38:10Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:38:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ray007@gmx.net","avatar":null},"body":"On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 18:20 +0200, Jose María Gómez Vergara wrote:\n> Before starting, do you have any preference for Qt or Gtk in Git. I feel quite \n> confortable with both of them.\n> \n> Qt . C++ GPL\n> Gtk+. C - LGPL\n\nIf you think about using one of those 2 you might also want to take a\nlook at \nqgit - http://sourceforge.net/projects/qgit/ (qt)\nand\ngiggle - http://developer.imendio.com/projects/giggle/ (gtk)\n\nNot sure if those toolkits can for used to produce a TortoiseGit.\n\nbest regards,\nRay\n"},{"id":"80504","messageId":"485BDD8B.5080402@robertsr.us","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"46a038f90806200859r520d0593q367d6625a240595a@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Barry Roberts","fromEmail":"blr@robertsr.us","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:40:43Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:40:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"blr@robertsr.us","avatar":null},"body":"Martin Langhoff wrote:\n> if you have UI/Win32 experience, a good friendly UI for newcomers to\n> GIT is something we are lacking.\n> \n\nMy assessment of git-cola (formerly ugit) makes me wonder if that\nstatement is still true. It doesn't have explorer integration,\nand the install is tedious on windows. But since it uses Qt4\nit's purty enough for Windows users and it uses porcelain\ncommands so it doesn't require plumbing knowledge.\n\nThe Windows users that I've shown git cola are universally\nexcited to try it. And my dogfood'ing on Linux has been going\nwell.\n\nFWIW,\nBarry Roberts\n"},{"id":"80506","messageId":"200806201845.51749.josemaria@jmgv.org","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"86skv81356.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"Jose María Gómez Vergara","fromEmail":"josemaria@jmgv.org","sentAt":"2008-06-20T16:45:51Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-20T16:45:51Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"josemaria@jmgv.org","avatar":null},"body":"look nice\n\nOn Friday 20 June 2008 18:29:09 David Kastrup wrote:\n> Jose María Gómez Vergara writes:\n> > Before starting, do you have any preference for Qt or Gtk in Git. I feel\n> > quite confortable with both of them.\n> >\n> > Qt . C++ GPL\n> > Gtk+. C - LGPL\n> >\n> > The quality is good for both of them\n>\n> Please take a look at\n> . It might be\n> worthwhile not to start from scratch here.\n"},{"id":"80528","messageId":"402731c90806201857h23134f17y4189df9d6aa4585c@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"402731c90806201853x1c57ec5fib39bd92810072611@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"David Aguilar","fromEmail":"davvid@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-06-21T01:57:33Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-21T01:57:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"davvid@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/13196?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:29 AM, David Kastrup wrote:\n> Jose María Gómez Vergara writes:\n>\n>> Before starting, do you have any preference for Qt or Gtk in Git. I feel quite\n>> confortable with both of them.\n>>\n>> Qt . C++ GPL\n>> Gtk+. C - LGPL\n>>\n>> The quality is good for both of them\n>\n> Please take a look at\n> . It might be\n> worthwhile not to start from scratch here.\n>\n> --\n> David Kastrup\n\n\nAnd if you don't mind Python, Qt, LGPL...\n\nhttp://cola.tuxfamily.org/\nhttp://gitorious.org/projects/git-cola/\n\nenjoy,\n\n--\n David\n\n\n\n-- \n David\n"},{"id":"80546","messageId":"85y74z9cy7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz","threadId":"14059","inReplyTo":"200806201754.56806.josemaria@jmgv.org","subject":"Re: Are C++ contributions welcome?","fromName":"David Kastrup","fromEmail":"dak@gnu.org","sentAt":"2008-06-21T12:42:24Z","receivedAt":"2008-06-21T12:42:24Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dak@gnu.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/52141349?v=4"},"body":"Jose María Gómez Vergara writes:\n\n> To be honest, I like a lot projects made in C. I have been working\n> with Qt and with Gtk and I must say that it is easy for me to\n> understand Gtk that is in C than Qt that is in C++. Something I feel\n> like if C++ design do unnecessary abstration. The thing is that due to\n> my job, I am more familiar with C++ since the project in which I work\n> at my job is a really big monster that seems to be easier to manage\n> using an a litter high level language as C++ instead C.\n>\n> I would like to learn more C, but sometime I think I should focus in\n> one language and learn as much as possible about it.\n\nThis is sort of like discussing the most suitable alphabet for writing\npoetry.\n\n-- \nDavid Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum\n"}]}