{"thread":{"id":"13587","subject":"looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","startedAt":"2008-05-20T08:57:38Z","lastAt":"2008-05-23T04:16:41Z","messageCount":19,"participants":["Ittay Dror","Teemu Likonen","Thomas Koch","Sverre Rabbelier","Daniel Barkalow","Jakub Narebski","Linus Torvalds","Martin Langhoff","Peter Karlsson","Robin Rosenberg"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"77314","messageId":"48329282.1040407@tikalk.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Ittay Dror","fromEmail":"ittayd@tikalk.com","sentAt":"2008-05-20T08:57:38Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T08:57:38Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"ittayd@tikalk.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hi,\n\nI'm looking for a survey that analyses the market share of the major \nSCMs (including git of course). If someone knows about something like \nthat, can you please point me to it? (optimally, such a survey will take \ninto account how large the projects are)\n\nThank you,\nIttay\n\n-- \nIttay Dror \nTikal \nTikal Project \n"},{"id":"77317","messageId":"200805201120.48575.thomas.koch@ymc.ch","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"48329282.1040407@tikalk.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Thomas Koch","fromEmail":"thomas.koch@ymc.ch","sentAt":"2008-05-20T09:20:48Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T09:20:48Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"thomas.koch@ymc.ch","avatar":null},"body":"Am Dienstag 20 Mai 2008 10:57:38 schrieb Ittay Dror:\n> Hi,\n>\n> I'm looking for a survey that analyses the market share of the major\n> SCMs (including git of course). If someone knows about something like\n> that, can you please point me to it? (optimally, such a survey will take\n> into account how large the projects are)\n>\n> Thank you,\n> Ittay\n\nhttp://wiki.debian.org/Statistics\nhttp://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/vcs-usage/\n\n-- \nThomas Koch, Software Developer\n\nYoung Media Concepts GmbH\nSonnenstr. 4\nCH-8280 Kreuzlingen\nSwitzerland\n\nTel +41 (0)71 / 508 24 86\nFax +41 (0)71 / 560 53 89\nMobile +49 (0)170 / 753 89 16\nWeb www.ymc.ch\n"},{"id":"77316","messageId":"20080520093245.GA5037@mithlond.arda.local","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"48329282.1040407@tikalk.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Teemu Likonen","fromEmail":"tlikonen@iki.fi","sentAt":"2008-05-20T09:32:45Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T09:32:45Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tlikonen@iki.fi","avatar":null},"body":"Ittay Dror wrote (2008-05-20 11:57 +0300):\n\n> I'm looking for a survey that analyses the market share of the major\n> SCMs (including git of course). If someone knows about something like\n> that, can you please point me to it? (optimally, such a survey will\n> take into account how large the projects are)\n\nSome kind of \"market share analysis\" is Debian popularity contest which\ngathers automatically information about what packages are installed on\npeople's Debian systems. Perhaps you can get some useful information\nfrom it. I constructed a link which compares the number-of-installs of\nsome major SCM/VCS systems:\n\nhttp://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=darcs%2Cgit-core%2Cmercurial%2Cbzr%2Csubversion%2C+cvs&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=2003-10-01&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1\n"},{"id":"77318","messageId":"bd6139dc0805200310j13a9b74dy9f28fe855c59e01b@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"20080520093245.GA5037@mithlond.arda.local","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-20T10:10:40Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T10:10:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:\n> from it. I constructed a link which compares the number-of-installs of\n> some major SCM/VCS systems:\n>\n> http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=darcs%2Cgit-core%2Cmercurial%2Cbzr%2Csubversion%2C+cvs&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=2003-10-01&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1\n\nA more interesting one I think is http://tinyurl.com/3lf4mn as it\nshows the history better, that is, it better shows CVS and SVN\ndecreasing in popularity (it also shows the point where SVN became\nmore popular than CVS). From this graph you can also see that git is\non it's way to become more popular than CVS!\n\nhttp://tinyurl.com/3lf4mn\n\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"77351","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0805201748020.19665@iabervon.org","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0805200310j13a9b74dy9f28fe855c59e01b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2008-05-20T22:07:18Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T22:07:18Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, 20 May 2008, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n\n> On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Teemu Likonen wrote:\n> > from it. I constructed a link which compares the number-of-installs of\n> > some major SCM/VCS systems:\n> >\n> > http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=darcs%2Cgit-core%2Cmercurial%2Cbzr%2Csubversion%2C+cvs&show_installed=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=2003-10-01&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y-%25m&beenhere=1\n> \n> A more interesting one I think is http://tinyurl.com/3lf4mn as it\n> shows the history better, that is, it better shows CVS and SVN\n> decreasing in popularity (it also shows the point where SVN became\n> more popular than CVS). From this graph you can also see that git is\n> on it's way to become more popular than CVS!\n> \n> http://tinyurl.com/3lf4mn\n\nDoing it as a percentage is kind of odd; it demonstrates that using \nversion control is decreasing in popularity as more and more people who \ndon't use version control submit votes. All of the version control systems \nshow an upward trend in number of users, but most of them are not growing \nas much as the market is shrinking. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to \nbe a way to get the people who use each of them as a percentage of people \nwho use any of them, which is what you want for \"market share\".\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"},{"id":"77355","messageId":"bd6139dc0805201525r22ba7398g6f341f89ae699b57@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0805201748020.19665@iabervon.org","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-20T22:25:05Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T22:25:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Daniel Barkalow wrote:\n> Doing it as a percentage is kind of odd; it demonstrates that using\n> version control is decreasing in popularity as more and more people who\n> don't use version control submit votes. All of the version control systems\n> show an upward trend in number of users, but most of them are not growing\n> as much as the market is shrinking. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to\n> be a way to get the people who use each of them as a percentage of people\n> who use any of them, which is what you want for \"market share\".\n\nAh, you are right, I didn't analyse the graph enough, I thought\npercent would show what you described above, obviously it doesn't\nthough as the values don't add up to 100%. Even so, I think this is a\nbetter graph:\nhttp://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn\nSince it shows users that regularly use the package, instead of user\nthat have it installed. Considering that these days distro's have a\nlot of stuff pre-installed if you go with the \"coders packages\" the\nusage votes give a better picture than looking at who has it installed\n(which includes people that don't use the package at all). That graph\nshows that in the end of 2006 SVN became more popular than CVS,\nwhereas the one from Teemu (http://tinyurl.com/4vpqzg) does not show\nthat, probalby because a lot of people have it installed, but don't\nuse it.\nIt would be interesting if we could link the grow spurts from\nhttp://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn to programming-related events, something\nthat might have caused people to suddenly use a VCS a lot more (for\nexample the one in CVS's line from 05-2007 till 07-2007).\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"77357","messageId":"m3hccs4nbz.fsf@localhost.localdomain","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"48329282.1040407@tikalk.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Jakub Narebski","fromEmail":"jnareb@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-20T22:34:05Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-20T22:34:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"jnareb@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/2706?v=4"},"body":"Ittay Dror writes:\n\n> I'm looking for a survey that analyses the market share of the major\n> SCMs (including git of course). If someone knows about something like\n> that, can you please point me to it? (optimally, such a survey will\n> take into account how large the projects are)\n\nIt's not exactly \"market share\", and answers are obviously severly\nbiased, but you can take a look at answers and _comments_ to question\n\"10. What other SCMs did/do you use?\" in Git User's Survey 2007:\nhttp://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitSurvey2007#head-4ed59e7615e2dc4f4baa8fa0beccde52c93789f8\n(comments mention Ohloh stacks and Debian popularity contents,\npopcon).\n\nYou can also read the following articles on Elijahs' blog:\n http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2007/11/17/adoption-of-various-vcses/\n http://blogs.gnome.org/newren/2008/03/01/happenings-in-the-vcs-world/\n\nHTH\n-- \nJakub Narebski\nPoland\nShadeHawk on #git\n"},{"id":"77360","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0805202001170.19665@iabervon.org","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0805201525r22ba7398g6f341f89ae699b57@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2008-05-21T00:24:31Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T00:24:31Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, 21 May 2008, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n\n> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Daniel Barkalow wrote:\n> > Doing it as a percentage is kind of odd; it demonstrates that using\n> > version control is decreasing in popularity as more and more people who\n> > don't use version control submit votes. All of the version control systems\n> > show an upward trend in number of users, but most of them are not growing\n> > as much as the market is shrinking. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to\n> > be a way to get the people who use each of them as a percentage of people\n> > who use any of them, which is what you want for \"market share\".\n> \n> Ah, you are right, I didn't analyse the graph enough, I thought\n> percent would show what you described above, obviously it doesn't\n> though as the values don't add up to 100%. Even so, I think this is a\n> better graph:\n> http://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn\n\nYeah, that's the one I thought was informative.\n\n> Since it shows users that regularly use the package, instead of user\n> that have it installed. Considering that these days distro's have a\n> lot of stuff pre-installed if you go with the \"coders packages\" the\n> usage votes give a better picture than looking at who has it installed\n> (which includes people that don't use the package at all). That graph\n> shows that in the end of 2006 SVN became more popular than CVS,\n> whereas the one from Teemu (http://tinyurl.com/4vpqzg) does not show\n> that, probalby because a lot of people have it installed, but don't\n> use it.\n\nYeah, also a lot of people have CVS installed from when they used it, but \nthey not use something different, but haven't built new computers without \nit.\n\n> It would be interesting if we could link the grow spurts from\n> http://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn to programming-related events, something\n> that might have caused people to suddenly use a VCS a lot more (for\n> example the one in CVS's line from 05-2007 till 07-2007).\n\nI think that around 05-2007, a lot more people started voting, largely \nnon-coders, but also coders. In the percentage, there's a sharp drop where \nthat sharp rise is.\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"},{"id":"77362","messageId":"alpine.LFD.1.10.0805202105430.3081@woody.linux-foundation.org","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0805201525r22ba7398g6f341f89ae699b57@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Linus Torvalds","fromEmail":"torvalds@linux-foundation.org","sentAt":"2008-05-21T04:06:50Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T04:06:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"torvalds@linux-foundation.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1024025?v=4"},"body":"\n\nOn Wed, 21 May 2008, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n>\n> Even so, I think this is a better graph:\n> http://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn\n\nWoo-woo!\n\nAdd RCS to the list (because real mean use the real thing(tm)), and see \nhow git passed RCS late last year.\n\n\t\tLinus\n"},{"id":"77363","messageId":"46a038f90805202126s80262d3i2f4f940a38d9ea06@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"alpine.LFD.1.10.0805202105430.3081@woody.linux-foundation.org","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T04:26:37Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T04:26:37Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Linus Torvalds\n wrote:\n> On Wed, 21 May 2008, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n>> Even so, I think this is a better graph:\n>> http://tinyurl.com/4hu2cn\n>\n> Woo-woo!\n>\n> Add RCS to the list (because real mean use the real thing(tm)), and see\n> how git passed RCS late last year.\n\nHeh. And trim it to start on 2005-7-12 - the date of the first debian\npackage for it. Makes the graph more interesting.\n\nDo I confess I added tla to the list too? Some things in my past I\nrather not talk about...\n\ncheers,\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"},{"id":"77364","messageId":"bd6139dc0805202140jb5c2541nfaed0d61888a4a2c@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"alpine.LFD.1.10.0805202105430.3081@woody.linux-foundation.org","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T04:40:39Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T04:40:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Linus Torvalds\n wrote:\n> Woo-woo!\n>\n> Add RCS to the list (because real mean use the real thing(tm)), and see\n> how git passed RCS late last year.\n\nI have to admit I never heard of RCS before you mentioned it, but sure\nis nice to know we passed them! :D This graph shows only git,\nsubversion, cvs, and rcs, since the other ones don't really have any\nmarket share and just clutter the bottom of the graph.\n\nhttp://tinyurl.com/6hj5ds\n\nIt looks like a steady growth but I'm not sure we'll pass CVS before\nthe \"end of the world\" in 2012. (Just picked the \"end of the world\" in\n2012 as a random reference point since it's relatively close to now\nand most people have heard of that theory.)\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"77365","messageId":"bd6139dc0805202144h2bb55fd1n9b26bc76c245f33b@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"46a038f90805202126s80262d3i2f4f940a38d9ea06@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T04:44:09Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T04:44:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Martin Langhoff\n wrote:\n> Heh. And trim it to start on 2005-7-12 - the date of the first debian\n> package for it. Makes the graph more interesting.\n\nTrimming it does make the graph a lot nicer although doing prevents\nyou from comparing the grow curves (of CVS and SVN with those of git).\nhttp://tinyurl.com/6hj5ds\n\n> Do I confess I added tla to the list too? Some things in my past I\n> rather not talk about...\n\nI'm afraid 'tla' is too insignificant to be of interest :P, it's\nsteady at, say, 100 users.\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"77366","messageId":"46a038f90805202210v5d0f75cekbad51da89c46f47@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0805202144h2bb55fd1n9b26bc76c245f33b@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T05:10:09Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T05:10:09Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Sverre Rabbelier wrote:\n> Trimming it does make the graph a lot nicer although doing prevents\n> you from comparing the grow curves (of CVS and SVN with those of git).\n> http://tinyurl.com/6hj5ds\n\nActually, if we define the \"market\" to be DSCM, and the timeframe to\nbe existence of the git-core package, this graph of installs is quite\nuseful:\nhttp://tinyurl.com/4uemg2\n\n>> Do I confess I added tla to the list too? Some things in my past I\n>> rather not talk about...\n>\n> I'm afraid 'tla' is too insignificant to be of interest :P, it's\n> steady at, say, 100 users.\n\nMaybe git-archimport has made a dent? ;-)\nhttp://tinyurl.com/5okewp\n\ncheers,\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"},{"id":"77369","messageId":"bd6139dc0805202221v6fc476e8rcdb1822b17d8c13@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"46a038f90805202210v5d0f75cekbad51da89c46f47@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T05:21:50Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T05:21:50Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Martin Langhoff\n wrote:\n> Actually, if we define the \"market\" to be DSCM, and the timeframe to\n> be existence of the git-core package, this graph of installs is quite\n> useful:\n> http://tinyurl.com/4uemg2\n\nHehe, that feels a bit like manually favoring the odds in our benefit,\nbut it's fun to see how git is the most popular DSCM since 2007 ;).\n\n> Maybe git-archimport has made a dent? ;-)\n> http://tinyurl.com/5okewp\n\nIt would seem the contrary is true, the usage of tla was steadily\ndeclining, but since git-arch it has been picking up! (Well, that is\nwhat one could naively deduct from this graph, there's probably\nanother explanation :P).\n\n-- \nCheers,\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"77374","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0805210818120.23295@ds9.cixit.se","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"alpine.LFD.1.10.0805202105430.3081@woody.linux-foundation.org","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Peter Karlsson","fromEmail":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","sentAt":"2008-05-21T07:20:41Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T07:20:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peter@softwolves.pp.se","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/990764?v=4"},"body":"Linus Torvalds:\n\n> Add RCS to the list (because real mean use the real thing(tm)), and see \n> how git passed RCS late last year.\n\nI have been using RCS for local version control (like in my /etc\ndirectory), when I did not want to involve a CVS server. I find that\nGit does that job much better, so I am switching to Git there as well.\nVery nice :-)\n\nThe graphs are all missing \"cvsnt\", which does replace the cvs package\nif installed. But even if added, cvs is still losing market share.\n\n-- \n\\\\// Peter - http://www.softwolves.pp.se/\n"},{"id":"77422","messageId":"200805212139.25909.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"bd6139dc0805202221v6fc476e8rcdb1822b17d8c13@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Robin Rosenberg","fromEmail":"robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com","sentAt":"2008-05-21T19:39:25Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T19:39:25Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"robin.rosenberg@dewire.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/46357?v=4"},"body":"onsdagen den 21 maj 2008 07.21.50 skrev Sverre Rabbelier:\n> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Martin Langhoff\n> wrote:\n> > Actually, if we define the \"market\" to be DSCM, and the timeframe to\n> > be existence of the git-core package, this graph of installs is quite\n> > useful:\n> > http://tinyurl.com/4uemg2\n> \n> Hehe, that feels a bit like manually favoring the odds in our benefit,\n> but it's fun to see how git is the most popular DSCM since 2007 ;).\n\nDiff+tar+patch should be counted too. http://tinyurl.com/3frawy Seems\nfar more popilar than anything else added together, including cvs and\nother subversive systems.\n\n-- robin\n"},{"id":"77420","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0805211556380.19665@iabervon.org","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"200805212139.25909.robin.rosenberg.lists@dewire.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2008-05-21T20:07:30Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T20:07:30Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Wed, 21 May 2008, Robin Rosenberg wrote:\n\n> onsdagen den 21 maj 2008 07.21.50 skrev Sverre Rabbelier:\n> > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Martin Langhoff\n> > wrote:\n> > > Actually, if we define the \"market\" to be DSCM, and the timeframe to\n> > > be existence of the git-core package, this graph of installs is quite\n> > > useful:\n> > > http://tinyurl.com/4uemg2\n> > \n> > Hehe, that feels a bit like manually favoring the odds in our benefit,\n> > but it's fun to see how git is the most popular DSCM since 2007 ;).\n> \n> Diff+tar+patch should be counted too. http://tinyurl.com/3frawy Seems\n> far more popilar than anything else added together, including cvs and\n> other subversive systems.\n\nI think tar and diff are necessary to install git-core or any other .deb, \nso it's unsurprising that they've got a 100% market share by that metric. \nUntil Debian switches to a git-based package format, git's not going to \ncatch up to those...\n\nOn the other hand, the \"vote\" value for patch is a reasonable metric, and \nit's been steadily close to but above the version control systems.\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"},{"id":"77423","messageId":"20080521202856.GA3066@mithlond.arda.local","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0805211556380.19665@iabervon.org","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Teemu Likonen","fromEmail":"tlikonen@iki.fi","sentAt":"2008-05-21T20:28:56Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-21T20:28:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"tlikonen@iki.fi","avatar":null},"body":"Daniel Barkalow wrote (2008-05-21 16:07 -0400):\n\n> I think tar and diff are necessary to install git-core or any other\n> .deb, so it's unsurprising that they've got a 100% market share by\n> that metric. Until Debian switches to a git-based package format,\n> git's not going to catch up to those...\n\nYes, tar and diff are in every Debian system and can't be casually\nremoved:\n\n $ aptitude remove tar\n [...]\n\n WARNING: Performing this action will probably cause your system to break!\n Do NOT continue unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing!\n To continue, type the phrase \"I am aware that this is a very bad idea\":\n"},{"id":"77519","messageId":"46a038f90805222116p64f53cc3l53c3f414f51b4b96@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13587","inReplyTo":"46a038f90805202210v5d0f75cekbad51da89c46f47@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: looking for \"market share\" analysis of SCMs.","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-05-23T04:16:41Z","receivedAt":"2008-05-23T04:16:41Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"And more popularity contests around Debian\n\nThe overall thread should appear in the archive around here - (not\nthere yet at time of writing):\nhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/05/threads.html#00583\n\nThis graph is of VCS usage by package maintainers to keep track of the\nlocal patches applied on top of upstream. It sure makes git look good:\nhttp://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/vcs-usage/\n\ncheers,\n\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"}]}