{"thread":{"id":"13024","subject":"ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","startedAt":"2008-04-08T20:32:59Z","lastAt":"2008-04-09T18:08:39Z","messageCount":9,"participants":["Dill","Kenneth P. Turvey","Patrick Aljord","Martin Langhoff","Sverre Rabbelier","Avery Pennarun","DigitalPig","Robert Haines","Daniel Barkalow"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"73874","messageId":"60646ee10804081332n3f0d9668o514bd2b6f99b7ae@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Dill","fromEmail":"sarpulhu@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T20:32:59Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T20:32:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"sarpulhu@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"Hello, I'm trying to set up a Git forum at:\n\nhttp://gitforum.freeforums.org/\n(will purchase a git specific domain once I get the required\ndonations...I'm too poor to buy one myself)\n\nThe forum might also help move some newbies off this mailing list and\nprovide a place for the Git community to discuss stuff.\nIt is hoped that this forum will be the main site Git users will visit\nwhen they want help and want to discuss Git topics with other Git\nusers. This forum will allow the Git community discuss with each other\nand by doing so create an excellent online reference on the web for\nothers to read and get help. A place for Git users to help other Git\nusers. Donations are set up so the site can afford to buy a git\nspecific domain and pay for improvements to the site. Once I get\nenough money I'll purchase gitforum.com or something. Any donations\nwill go to the improvement of the site. Thank you and I hope you enjoy\nthe forum.\n\nI am also looking for moderators if anyones interested. Just PM me in the forum.\nDylan.\n"},{"id":"73880","messageId":"ftgngb$l9m$1@ger.gmane.org","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"60646ee10804081332n3f0d9668o514bd2b6f99b7ae@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Kenneth P. Turvey","fromEmail":"kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T21:19:07Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T21:19:07Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"kt-usenet@squeakydolphin.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:32:59 -0600, Dill wrote:\n\n> Hello, I'm trying to set up a Git forum at:\n> \n> http://gitforum.freeforums.org/\n> (will purchase a git specific domain once I get the required\n> donations...I'm too poor to buy one myself)\n> \n> The forum might also help move some newbies off this mailing list and\n> provide a place for the Git community to discuss stuff. It is hoped that\n> this forum will be the main site Git users will visit when they want\n> help and want to discuss Git topics with other Git users. This forum\n> will allow the Git community discuss with each other and by doing so\n> create an excellent online reference on the web for others to read and\n> get help. A place for Git users to help other Git users. Donations are\n> set up so the site can afford to buy a git specific domain and pay for\n> improvements to the site. Once I get enough money I'll purchase\n> gitforum.com or something. Any donations will go to the improvement of\n> the site. Thank you and I hope you enjoy the forum.\n> \n> I am also looking for moderators if anyones interested. Just PM me in\n> the forum. Dylan.\n\nI might be interested in this, but why the web forum format? Why not \njust set up a git-users mailing list instead? Archive it on the web if \nyou want, but a mailing list is more suited to this kind of thing.. or \nbetter yet a newsgroup. I usually read my mailing lists through gmane's \nNNTP server anyway (like this one). \n\n\n-- \nKenneth P. Turvey \n"},{"id":"73897","messageId":"6b6419750804081601k3f3b3853pce22c6b14d765327@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"ftgngb$l9m$1@ger.gmane.org","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Patrick Aljord","fromEmail":"patcito@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T23:01:20Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T23:01:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"patcito@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/8a78bf80fcbf4963401d6b1a7d40feb8a773ec3ce7120db291d2ef9c00093635?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kenneth P. Turvey\n> I might be interested in this, but why the web forum format? Why not\n> just set up a git-users mailing list instead?\n\nDone :)\nhere it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n"},{"id":"73898","messageId":"46a038f90804081607v64df6b5q345249a967dd854f@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"6b6419750804081601k3f3b3853pce22c6b14d765327@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Martin Langhoff","fromEmail":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T23:07:48Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T23:07:48Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"martin.langhoff@gmail.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/1e3f311b6c4c15836501901ca58f8c0b0667246488084ba524d8bc9867e22fd9?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord wrote:\n> here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n\nIs it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not make\nit stronger?\n\n\nm\n-- \n martin.langhoff@gmail.com\n martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect\n - ask interesting questions\n - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first\n - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff\n"},{"id":"73900","messageId":"bd6139dc0804081618n4374c7c8scf4b3014f426c3fd@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"46a038f90804081607v64df6b5q345249a967dd854f@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Sverre Rabbelier","fromEmail":"alturin@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T23:18:05Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T23:18:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alturin@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Martin Langhoff\n wrote:\n> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord wrote:\n> > here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n>\n> Is it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not make\n> it stronger?\n\nI agree that splitting it might not make it stronger but it might\nincrease the signal/noise ratio and make it less daunting for users to\nask a question. Even so, the \"how to ask smart questions guide\" [1]\nadvises users to try the 'user' list first if there is one available.\nThen again, as mentioned earlier in the thread there are arguments to\nbe said in favor of just one list.\n\n[1] http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html\n\nSverre Rabbelier\n"},{"id":"73901","messageId":"32541b130804081618rfaca3barb8ffbb78241ee8b5@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"46a038f90804081607v64df6b5q345249a967dd854f@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Avery Pennarun","fromEmail":"apenwarr@gmail.com","sentAt":"2008-04-08T23:18:20Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-08T23:18:20Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"apenwarr@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/20592?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Martin Langhoff\n wrote:\n> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord wrote:\n> > here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n>\n> Is it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not make\n> it stronger?\n\nOne interesting point is that the current list might have *too much*\ndiscussion. I hesitated to join for quite a while in case I couldn't\nkeep up with the traffic (and yes, it's hard to keep up with the\ntraffic :))\n\n>From that point of view, perhaps \"making the community stronger\" is\nnot the goal at all. Perhaps a valid goal is to fracture the\ncommunity so that more people can participate in a community in the\nfirst place.\n\nHave fun,\n\nAvery\n"},{"id":"73904","messageId":"87d4ozsvh5.fsf@bottom.com","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"32541b130804081618rfaca3barb8ffbb78241ee8b5@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"DigitalPig","fromEmail":"see-signature@bottom.com","sentAt":"2008-04-09T00:49:42Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-09T00:49:42Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"see-signature@bottom.com","avatar":null},"body":"\"Avery Pennarun\" writes:\n\n> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Martin Langhoff\n> wrote:\n>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord wrote:\n>> > here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n>>\n>> Is it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not make\n>> it stronger?\n>\n> One interesting point is that the current list might have *too much*\n> discussion. I hesitated to join for quite a while in case I couldn't\n> keep up with the traffic (and yes, it's hard to keep up with the\n> traffic :))\n>\n> From that point of view, perhaps \"making the community stronger\" is\n> not the goal at all. Perhaps a valid goal is to fracture the\n> community so that more people can participate in a community in the\n> first place.\n>\n> Have fun,\n>\n> Avery\nI agree with that. For me, each day this group shows 200+ topics when I\nopened Gnus. I think this could be divided into two groups, one for\ngit-user and the other for git-devel.\n\n-- \nDigitalPig\nE-mail: digitalpiglee AT gmail DOT com\nALL WE SEEN IS ILLUSION.\n"},{"id":"73966","messageId":"721CA911-6880-4A52-8228-005EA1FF8E11@manchester.ac.uk","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"87d4ozsvh5.fsf@bottom.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Robert Haines","fromEmail":"rhaines@manchester.ac.uk","sentAt":"2008-04-09T16:57:59Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-09T16:57:59Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"rhaines@manchester.ac.uk","avatar":null},"body":"\nOn 9 Apr 2008, at 01:49, DigitalPig wrote:\n> \"Avery Pennarun\" writes:\n>\n>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Martin Langhoff\n>> wrote:\n>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord \n>>> wrote:\n>>>> here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n>>>\n>>> Is it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not \n>>> make\n>>> it stronger?\n>>\n>> One interesting point is that the current list might have *too much*\n>> discussion. I hesitated to join for quite a while in case I couldn't\n>> keep up with the traffic (and yes, it's hard to keep up with the\n>> traffic :))\n>>\n>> From that point of view, perhaps \"making the community stronger\" is\n>> not the goal at all. Perhaps a valid goal is to fracture the\n>> community so that more people can participate in a community in the\n>> first place.\n>>\n>> Have fun,\n>>\n>> Avery\n> I agree with that. For me, each day this group shows 200+ topics \n> when I\n> opened Gnus. I think this could be divided into two groups, one for\n> git-user and the other for git-devel.\n\nThis is missing the point slightly. If you ask a question on this \nlist now it will be read by a lot of people who know git intimately \nand will help in very short order. These are the people who come to \nthe list for other things (development discussions, patches, etc). If \nyou split the group these people will not see your questions so they \nwon't get answered. How does that help the community or make it \nstronger? It might well fracture the community into two groups: One \nthat is now free to get even more development done, and one that \nnever gets any of its questions answered!\n\nThat said, this list is very high traffic. If you want to reduce that \nwhy not filter out all mails with things like \"[PATCH\", \"[BUG]\", etc \nin the title and you'll just about have your git-users list!\n\nCheers,\nRob\n"},{"id":"73969","messageId":"alpine.LNX.1.00.0804091358590.19665@iabervon.org","threadId":"13024","inReplyTo":"32541b130804081618rfaca3barb8ffbb78241ee8b5@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: ANNOUNCE: Git Forum","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2008-04-09T18:08:39Z","receivedAt":"2008-04-09T18:08:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Tue, 8 Apr 2008, Avery Pennarun wrote:\n\n> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Martin Langhoff\n> wrote:\n> > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Aljord wrote:\n> > > here it is: http://groups.google.com/group/git-users\n> >\n> > Is it clear to everyone here that splitting a community does not make\n> > it stronger?\n> \n> One interesting point is that the current list might have *too much*\n> discussion. I hesitated to join for quite a while in case I couldn't\n> keep up with the traffic (and yes, it's hard to keep up with the\n> traffic :))\n\nWe actually encourage people to send email to the list without subscribing \nif they just have a particular question they'd like answered and don't \nwant a ton of other mail.\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"}]}