{"thread":{"id":"10151","subject":"Many gits are offline this week","startedAt":"2007-10-05T01:04:48Z","lastAt":"2007-10-28T10:07:35Z","messageCount":22,"participants":["Shawn O. Pearce","Randal L. Schwartz","Johannes Schindelin","alan","Paolo Ciarrocchi","Dmitry Potapov","Frank Lichtenheld","David Brown","Jeff King","Pierre Habouzit","Lars Hjemli","Steven Grimm","Daniel Barkalow","Mike Hommey"],"isPatch":false,"patchVersion":null,"patchTotal":null},"messages":[{"id":"54892","messageId":"20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":null,"subject":"Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:04:48Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:04:48Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\ndays as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\nMentor Summit.\n\nWe also just received word from Junio that he is also likely to be\noffline this next week. Junio has some business that needs his\nimmediate attention, so he won't be his usual attentive self on\nthe mailing list.\n\nWith three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps\nsomeone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio\nhas a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"54893","messageId":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Randal L. Schwartz","fromEmail":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:27:05Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:27:05Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/dc528d210743ff0333e6213f9ee7b33b23f1b7bc1f3c5a8c2d819074ecd7ab19?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n\nShawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\nShawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\nShawn> Mentor Summit.\n\nOddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\n-- \nRandal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095\n \nPerl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.\nSee PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!\n"},{"id":"54895","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710050236100.4174@racer.site","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:36:33Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:36:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n\n> >>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n> \n> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\n> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\n> Shawn> Mentor Summit.\n> \n> Oddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n> 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\nWe will not. I'll watch the YouTube video a hundred times.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"54897","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710050240460.4174@racer.site","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:43:27Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:43:27Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n\n> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four days as \n> we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code Mentor Summit.\n\nWhile at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a \nfew hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night. \nSo everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git \nDay.\n\nSadly, Junio is not able to attend, but I will hoist a drink or three to \nhim.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"54898","messageId":"20071005014339.GT2137@spearce.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:43:39Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:43:39Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"\"Randal L. Schwartz\" wrote:\n> >>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n> \n> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\n> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\n> Shawn> Mentor Summit.\n> \n> Oddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n> 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\nYea, seeing as how I've never had the chance to see you give a\ntalk I am quite disappointed by the poor timing. I'll just have\nto catch the talk on Google Video. And shout questions at my wall\nto see if you can answer them.\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"54900","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710041857220.20082@blackbox.fnordora.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"alan","fromEmail":"alan@clueserver.org","sentAt":"2007-10-05T01:59:34Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T01:59:34Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"alan@clueserver.org","avatar":null},"body":"On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n\n>>>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n>\n> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\n> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\n> Shawn> Mentor Summit.\n>\n> Oddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n> 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\nAre you going to have the same heckler as the Advanced Topics meeting? ]:>\n\n-- \nNever trust a queue structure designed by a cryptographer.\n"},{"id":"54927","messageId":"4d8e3fd30710050214j135260cn842ee7396a3d63c7@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Paolo Ciarrocchi","fromEmail":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-10-05T09:14:56Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T09:14:56Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 10/5/07, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n> >>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n>\n> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\n> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\n> Shawn> Mentor Summit.\n>\n> Oddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n> 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\nHi Randal,\nis there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?\n\nThanks!\n\nRegards,\n-- \nPaolo\nhttp://paolo.ciarrocchi.googlepages.com/\nhttp://ubuntista.blogspot.com\n"},{"id":"54950","messageId":"86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"4d8e3fd30710050214j135260cn842ee7396a3d63c7@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Randal L. Schwartz","fromEmail":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","sentAt":"2007-10-05T13:12:04Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T13:12:04Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/dc528d210743ff0333e6213f9ee7b33b23f1b7bc1f3c5a8c2d819074ecd7ab19?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n\nPaolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?\n\nI've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so\nhopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at\n\n http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf\n\nI still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing\ngraphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.\n\n-- \nRandal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095\n \nPerl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.\nSee PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!\n"},{"id":"54957","messageId":"37fcd2780710050741x1760a585yeaa9023a8d8cdccf@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Dmitry Potapov","fromEmail":"dpotapov@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-10-05T14:41:43Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T14:41:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dpotapov@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6568595?v=4"},"body":"Hi Randal,\n\n> I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so\n> hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at\n>\n> http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf\n\nI believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:\n\"git-commit -a\" is like \"git-add .; git-commit\"\n\nBut it is incorrect, because \"git-commit -a\" does not add new files, so\nit works like \"git-add -u .; git-commit\".\n\nDmitry\n"},{"id":"54960","messageId":"20071005151355.GO31659@planck.djpig.de","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Frank Lichtenheld","fromEmail":"frank@lichtenheld.de","sentAt":"2007-10-05T15:13:55Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T15:13:55Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"frank@lichtenheld.de","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/b9f1d4b120e138f157c9e480d0818197c474628923786adb98f30017cdb99c3c?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n> With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps\n> someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio\n> has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?\n\nWhile I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I\nwill at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating\naround the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one\nbatch.\n\nGruesse,\n-- \nFrank Lichtenheld \nwww: http://www.djpig.de/\n"},{"id":"54973","messageId":"20071005162029.GA18522@old.davidb.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"37fcd2780710050741x1760a585yeaa9023a8d8cdccf@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"David Brown","fromEmail":"git@davidb.org","sentAt":"2007-10-05T16:20:29Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T16:20:29Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"git@davidb.org","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/94c86a2938470a74c2eac5e2b69afc0871f79a660295c02219597aba8cb101c1?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 06:41:43PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote:\n\n>I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:\n>\"git-commit -a\" is like \"git-add .; git-commit\"\n>\n>But it is incorrect, because \"git-commit -a\" does not add new files, so\n>it works like \"git-add -u .; git-commit\".\n\n\"git-commit -a\" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas\n\"git-add\" does not. In fact, I haven't found an easy way to detect this\nother than \"git-commit -a\", and it is the only reason I ever run\n\"git-commit -a\"\n\nDave\n"},{"id":"54984","messageId":"37fcd2780710051019l37b3dde2p57f24fef27b62bf6@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005162029.GA18522@old.davidb.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Dmitry Potapov","fromEmail":"dpotapov@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-10-05T17:19:02Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T17:19:02Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"dpotapov@gmail.com","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/6568595?v=4"},"body":"> >I believe I have found one mistake in your slides. Slide 18 reads:\n> >\"git-commit -a\" is like \"git-add .; git-commit\"\n> >\n> >But it is incorrect, because \"git-commit -a\" does not add new files, so\n> >it works like \"git-add -u .; git-commit\".\n>\n> \"git-commit -a\" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas\n> \"git-add\" does not.\n\nI just tried \"git-add -u .\" and it *does* detect deleted files.\n\n$ git-status\n# On branch master\nnothing to commit (working directory clean)\n$ rm oldfile\n$ git-status\n# On branch master\n# Changed but not updated:\n# (use \"git add/rm ...\" to update what will be committed)\n#\n# deleted: oldfile\n#\nno changes added to commit (use \"git add\" and/or \"git commit -a\")\n$ git-add -u .\n$ git-status\n# On branch master\n# Changes to be committed:\n# (use \"git reset HEAD ...\" to unstage)\n#\n# deleted: oldfile\n#\n$ git-commit\nCreated commit 17e2bba: delete\n 1 files changed, 0 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)\n delete mode 100644 oldfile\n\nSo, it works exactly as \"git-commit -a\" in this case.\n\nDmitry\n"},{"id":"54991","messageId":"20071005183333.GF13757@coredump.intra.peff.net","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"37fcd2780710051019l37b3dde2p57f24fef27b62bf6@mail.gmail.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Jeff King","fromEmail":"peff@peff.net","sentAt":"2007-10-05T18:33:33Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T18:33:33Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"peff@peff.net","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/45925?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 09:19:02PM +0400, Dmitry Potapov wrote:\n\n> > \"git-commit -a\" also detects files that have been deleted, whereas\n> > \"git-add\" does not.\n> I just tried \"git-add -u .\" and it *does* detect deleted files.\n\nIIRC, this was a fix by Junio recently, but I can't seem to find the\ncommit.\n\n-Peff\n"},{"id":"55000","messageId":"20071005202601.GD31646@artemis.corp","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005151355.GO31659@planck.djpig.de","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Pierre Habouzit","fromEmail":"madcoder@debian.org","sentAt":"2007-10-05T20:26:01Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-05T20:26:01Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"madcoder@debian.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/44708?v=4"},"body":"On Fri, Oct 05, 2007 at 03:13:55PM +0000, Frank Lichtenheld wrote:\n> On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 09:04:48PM -0400, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n> > With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps\n> > someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio\n> > has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?\n> \n> While I have neither the time nor the abilities to do this I\n> will at least accumulate the various cvsserver patches floating\n> around the last few days so that I can submit them to Junio in one\n> batch.\n\n I won't have the time either, though even if I keep posting patches on\nthe list, I'll resubmit a digest of mines when Junio will be back\nonline. (or share a public git repository so that he can directly fetch\nfrom there).\n\n-- \n·O· Pierre Habouzit\n··O madcoder@debian.org\nOOO http://www.madism.org\n"},{"id":"55012","messageId":"8c5c35580710060205p11b3a122wb5a0d99f06a307d3@mail.gmail.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071005010448.GQ2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Lars Hjemli","fromEmail":"hjemli@gmail.com","sentAt":"2007-10-06T09:05:51Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-06T09:05:51Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"hjemli@gmail.com","avatar":null},"body":"On 10/5/07, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n> With three gits offline for at least the next few days perhaps\n> someone would be willing to step up and collect patches so that Junio\n> has a reasonable place to pick up from when he can get back online?\n\nI'll collect patches from the list for a few days and put them into\ntopic-branches on git://hjemli.net/pub/git/git.\n\n--\nlarsh\n"},{"id":"55039","messageId":"470867BC.8040909@midwinter.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710050240460.4174@racer.site","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Steven Grimm","fromEmail":"koreth@midwinter.com","sentAt":"2007-10-07T04:59:40Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T04:59:40Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"koreth@midwinter.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/71b4d2e8b62f168bdc9e9205341159e3567003b4f9e2127c617c5fa0a1f5bad2?d=mp&s=160"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> While at it, we thought that we'd have a little git-together on Sunday, a \n> few hours before we're (or at least I'm) sober again from Saturday night. \n> So everybody who is in the area of San Jose: Sunday is Talk Like A Git \n> Day.\n> \n\nHere are the details for anyone who can show up:\n\nTime: 12 noon\nPlace: Gordon Biersch Brewery, 640 Emerson St., Palo Alto\nWeb: \nhttp://www.gordonbiersch.com/restaurants/index.php?pg=location&sub=loc&location_id=15\nFacebook event page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=5037248613 \n(obviously not required, but it might give other people some idea who to \nexpect)\n\nHope to see some folks there!\n\n-Steve\n"},{"id":"55072","messageId":"20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"86tzp54sez.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2007-10-07T17:01:53Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T17:01:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"\"Randal L. Schwartz\" wrote:\n> >>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n> \n> Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?\n> \n> I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so\n> hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at\n> \n> http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf\n> \n> I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing\n> graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.\n\nWhat, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users\nthan qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains\non slide 15 as:\n\n Other porcelain exists:\n - StGit (\"stacked git\"), guilt\n - tig (curses-based viewer)\n - qgit, git-gui\n\nOn slide 26 you say \"gitk mytopic origin\" shows the changes back to\nthe common ancestor. That's what \"gitk mytopic...origin\" would do.\nNote the three dots instead of the space. The space will cause\ngitk to show all history back to the beginning of time.\n\nOn slide 27 you say that you can rebase your changes on upstream\nusing \"git-rebase origin/master master\". That's a lot more\ntyping than is required, most people will want to rebase their\ncurrent branch onto the upstream and thus will use \"git-rebase\norigin/master\". Personally I think combining git-checkout's branch\nswitch feature into git-rebase is stupid. It really makes things\nconfusing. But its supported. :-(\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"55080","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710071457580.23070@iabervon.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Daniel Barkalow","fromEmail":"barkalow@iabervon.org","sentAt":"2007-10-07T19:04:03Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T19:04:03Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"barkalow@iabervon.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/55364219?v=4"},"body":"On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Shawn O. Pearce wrote:\n\n> \"Randal L. Schwartz\" wrote:\n> > >>>>> \"Paolo\" == Paolo Ciarrocchi writes:\n> > \n> > Paolo> is there any material (slides, docs) you can share before the talks?\n> > \n> > I've had the slides reviewed by Smarter People Than Me on #git already, so\n> > hopefully most of it is accurate. :) They're temporarily at\n> > \n> > http://www.stonehenge.com/pic/Git-2.0.3-to-be.pdf\n> > \n> > I still hope to have a few hours to go in and add a few sadly missing\n> > graphics, particularly on the rebase vs merge section.\n> \n> What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users\n> than qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains\n> on slide 15 as:\n> \n> Other porcelain exists:\n> - StGit (\"stacked git\"), guilt\n> - tig (curses-based viewer)\n> - qgit, git-gui\n\nFor that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this \npoints out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is unusual \nin having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.\n\n\t-Daniel\n*This .sig left intentionally blank*\n"},{"id":"55081","messageId":"86ve9i1ztl.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"20071007170153.GX2137@spearce.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Randal L. Schwartz","fromEmail":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","sentAt":"2007-10-07T19:37:10Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T19:37:10Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"merlyn@stonehenge.com","avatar":"https://gravatar.com/avatar/dc528d210743ff0333e6213f9ee7b33b23f1b7bc1f3c5a8c2d819074ecd7ab19?d=mp&s=160"},"body":">>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n\nShawn> What, no mention of git-gui as a porcelain? It has more users\nShawn> than qgit according to the survey. Maybe rephrase the porcelains\nShawn> on slide 15 as:\n\nShawn> Other porcelain exists:\nShawn> - StGit (\"stacked git\"), guilt\nShawn> - tig (curses-based viewer)\nShawn> - qgit, git-gui\n\ngit-gui should have been mentioned with \"the git distro\". Fixed.\n\nShawn> On slide 26 you say \"gitk mytopic origin\" shows the changes back to\nShawn> the common ancestor. That's what \"gitk mytopic...origin\" would do.\nShawn> Note the three dots instead of the space. The space will cause\nShawn> gitk to show all history back to the beginning of time.\n\nDarned inconsistency! Sometimes, it's a space. Sometimes it's two dots.\nSometimes, it's three dots. I know, there's reasons for that, but it's still\nhard for the newbie.\n\n-- \nRandal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095\n \nPerl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.\nSee PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!\n"},{"id":"55104","messageId":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710072331050.4174@racer.site","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710071457580.23070@iabervon.org","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Johannes Schindelin","fromEmail":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","sentAt":"2007-10-07T22:31:43Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T22:31:43Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"johannes.schindelin@gmx.de","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/127790?v=4"},"body":"Hi,\n\nOn Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote:\n\n> For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this \n> points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is \n> unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.\n\nI do not consider viewers \"porcelain\". And gitweb is essentially just a \nviewer.\n\nCiao,\nDscho\n"},{"id":"55105","messageId":"20071007230953.GC2137@spearce.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"Pine.LNX.4.64.0710072331050.4174@racer.site","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Shawn O. Pearce","fromEmail":"spearce@spearce.org","sentAt":"2007-10-07T23:09:53Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-07T23:09:53Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"spearce@spearce.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/34844?v=4"},"body":"Johannes Schindelin wrote:\n> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, Daniel Barkalow wrote:\n> \n> > For that matter, gitweb is essentially a limited porcelain. And this \n> > points out that all VCSes have alternative porcelains, but git is \n> > unusual in having convenient plumbing to support and encourage this.\n> \n> I do not consider viewers \"porcelain\". And gitweb is essentially just a \n> viewer.\n\nSo you don't consider gitk to be porcelain? I do. The plumbing\noutput of git-rev-list is uh, ugly. gitk may still not be the best\nlooking application on the internet but it sure beats looking at\nrev-list output by eye.\n\nPorcelain is really anything that calls plumbing to make the task\nof invoking or processing the output of plumbing easier on the\nhuman using it. That's it. Obviously you can work Git by just the\nplumbing. Just like you can compute SHA-1 by hand. You just choose\nnot to as the time it would take is more than you want to invest.\nOr have left in this mortal existance...\n\nI almost always forget about the web interfaces. There's a number\nof them and I don't use them often enough to really think about it.\nI don't know why I always forget about them. I never forget about\nStGit or qgit, and yet I never use those either...\n\n-- \nShawn.\n"},{"id":"57413","messageId":"20071028100735.GA27446@glandium.org","threadId":"10151","inReplyTo":"863awq5p1y.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com","subject":"Re: Many gits are offline this week","fromName":"Mike Hommey","fromEmail":"mh@glandium.org","sentAt":"2007-10-28T10:07:35Z","receivedAt":"2007-10-28T10:07:35Z","isPatch":false,"sender":{"key":"mh@glandium.org","avatar":"https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/1038527?v=4"},"body":"On Thu, Oct 04, 2007 at 06:27:05PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:\n> >>>>> \"Shawn\" == Shawn O Pearce writes:\n> \n> Shawn> Dscho and I will be (at least mostly) offline for the next four\n> Shawn> days as we travel to San Jose for the 2007 Google Summer of Code\n> Shawn> Mentor Summit.\n> \n> Oddly enough, I'm giving my \"Intro to Git\" talk at Google HQ on\n> 12 october. Too bad you're just going to miss that. :)\n\nNot that it's hard to find, but just for the record, Randal's talk can\nbe viewed on http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1251251453592758541\n\nMike\n"}]}